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Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat May 14, 2016 8:30 pm #176486

Bottom post of the previous page:

It's another "An0n3 and dezzmont argue about the meta in a videogame like spergs" episode

captain sawrge · Sun May 15, 2016 1:28 pm

the meta is pick bastion and win because even if he does hav e counters none of the blizzdrones fresh off daiblo 3 and hots have any idea how to play a video game

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Sun May 15, 2016 6:04 pm #176657

An0n3 wrote:It's another "An0n3 and dezzmont argue about the meta in a videogame like spergs" episode

Hey, I enjoy our spergy debates. Sometimes you even beat some sense into me, like how I put like 15 single heatsinks on a centurion in MWO.

I think you have a real point in terms of him really not being a sniper and most people utterly not understanding what he does. Like you said, he is about dueling people and getting a kill or two before popping out, and most people into his cool hyper-accurate gun are going to want to actually play Soldier instead.

I just don't think he is weak. He can delete people up close and has a decent amount of poke, and his ultimate is potentially the most impactful in the game if used correctly because it shuts down a fight, he just trades mobility and protection for it and has downtime between his ambushes.

Sure. Reaper is going to just outright mess up the backline if your opponents aren't aware of you way better than McCree, and Soldier will outfight him at any range but the closest, but he is versatile and his ulti is better than almost all of the attacker ultimates.

The reason I think that people would riot if he got buffed is because he is the only character with a real on demand CC effect in a game where mobility or active defenses are how you survive. Especially on the offensive and defensive characters McCree can just demolish a high threat target and allow the team to push, he is one of the only real hard counters to Genji and Tracer for example, and he can down Reinhardt's shield instantly if he just pops behind it for a moment. McCree's main job is to throw firecrackers in people's faces and piss them off, the poke and hammer fanning is really incidental. I doubt they will ever buff him after what happened to Mei, who is the most comparable character to him as a 1v1 flanker-ambusher with no real mobility and who wins via hard CC. After her buff to freeze time she has become enormously unfun to play with and against, and McCree was recently nerfed for having too much damage on top of his CC.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sun May 15, 2016 7:50 pm #176690

Reaper and Mei are my favorites because they have 'panic buttons' that turn them invincible and heroes with that are the epitome of casual like myself

McCree has one too, to an extent

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sun May 15, 2016 8:00 pm #176696

I don't mean to say McCree is garbage, I enjoy playing as him, but people complaining about him shitting all over them are just as bad as people complaining about Bastion.

If you want someone to point a finger at as "Hey maybe something is going on here" look at either Mei or Hanzo.

A really good Hanzo sets up on a bottleneck, throws his scout arrow out, and just shits on everyone who comes out into the open without them knowing it's coming. You have to die to this maybe multiple times before you realize what is going on and begin to form a counter strategy. You can't walk out, notice this is happening, and then retreat to try a new approach. You die as soon as you round the corner if the Hanzo is good enough, then thankfully the kill cam might give you some clue as to what's going on. At least with widowmaker it's a battle of reflexes. Can she line up the shot and get you before you see her and start dodging/fall back? With Hanzo that arrow is already in the air as you walk around the corner. GG. After you've figured out where the kill-line is you could switch to someone like Tracer or Reaper, dash/glide over it to throw off his aim, and then pursue him. Then again if he's using sniper basics 101 he's changing position periodically so it's not a guarantee.

Mei isn't bad by herself. When a team stacks up on her is when the game utterly falls apart. In TF2 multiple Pyro's hosing you down don't stack the on-fire damage. You are on fire once, taking DOT from that, and then the actual fire spray from the different Pyro's does some damage too, which does stack. In Overwatch, the freezing effect from multiple Mei's DOES stack, which causes people who they focus fire on to become frozen stupidly fast. This is imbalanced as fuck, as it takes a team of 3+ Mei's less time to freeze or refreeze you then you spend frozen, allowing them to lock you down while juggling multiple threats and ultimately killing everyone. There's no real counter-play here, having more than one Mei means there will always be someone with a fresh ice barrier to throw down when you start trying to out-range them. Anytime one gets hurt too badly they can ice up while the other two continue to lockdown anyone getting close enough to be a threat.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Sun May 15, 2016 8:36 pm #176722

paprika wrote:Reaper and Mei are my favorites because they have 'panic buttons' that turn them invincible and heroes with that are the epitome of casual like myself

McCree has one too, to an extent

If you like panic buttons, give D.Va a try. If you turn around a corner and run into a deployed bastion, you can hit E to activate your defence matrix and he won't get a single hit on you while you retreat. And if shit hits the fan, hit shift to activate your jets and just fly the fuck out of there.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon May 16, 2016 10:27 am #176842

Don't forget the bonus McCree's flashbang has of cancelling some ults

Reaper is going to cry if he gets flashbanged just as he presses Q

Supermichael777 · Mon May 16, 2016 6:18 pm

As far as i can see looks fun. What character would you suggest for a valve style shooter player? manly GO.

Soldier 76 Looks good for mag dump jungler, taking risky picks on low hp pool supports, with front-line support powers for when you need to move the cart or something.

Mercy looks like the find a but-buddy quick fix medic with crazy movement powers and krizkrege on demand.

Torbion looks like an enginer knockoff.

Bastion looks like Trollbot.

Mei is over-buffed atmos tech and one of her costumes literally looks like it. Also best waifu.(Shes not fat, shes short and in a puffy coat)

Spoiler:

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Mon May 16, 2016 6:27 pm #176926

Widowmaker.

Widowmaker for all questions.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Mon May 16, 2016 8:18 pm #176945

Supermichael777 wrote: Mei is over-buffed atmos tech and one of her costumes literally looks like it. Also best waifu.(Shes not fat, shes short and in a puffy coat)

Spoiler:

Apparently in her concept art she's quite stacked too.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon May 16, 2016 8:24 pm #176948

Mei's a shortstack. Nothing wrong with that.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Mon May 16, 2016 8:31 pm #176952

It's all insulation.

TechnoAlchemist · Mon May 16, 2016 9:35 pm

Local man in denial

ColonicAcid · Mon May 16, 2016 10:21 pm

SHES BIG bONNED

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Mon May 16, 2016 10:34 pm #176985

Supermichael777 wrote:As far as i can see looks fun. What character would you suggest for a valve style shooter player? manly GO.

Soldier 76 Looks good for mag dump jungler, taking risky picks on low hp pool supports, with front-line support powers for when you need to move the cart or something.

Mercy looks like the find a but-buddy quick fix medic with crazy movement powers and krizkrege on demand.

Torbion looks like an enginer knockoff.

Bastion looks like Trollbot.

Mei is over-buffed atmos tech and one of her costumes literally looks like it. Also best waifu.(Shes not fat, shes short and in a puffy coat)

Spoiler:

Valve style shooter as in TF2 or as in CSGO?

For CSGO I would say McCree, who plays pretty similar to someone wielding a hybrid shotgun-scout rifle. He wants to flank around and snap people in the head, but he cant really hold up in sniper battles. However he can also move in, flashbang a guy, and then blow them away.

For TF2 it would depend on your class. Sniper, Pyro, Demo, and Soldier have the most direct counterparts, while there basically isn't a heavy in this game save for maybe Bastion. Mercy is sorta like a medic but she doesn't actually make someone impossible to kill and she can't uber so she has no reason to just repeatedly heal the same person, she is designed to rapidly jump behind whoever is in trouble.

Torbion actually is really interesting because he is about as seperate as you can get from the engineer without ditching the signature turret. The engineer likes to play passive and set up nests that he constantly maintains. If Torbion plays like that he pretty much guarentees your team a loss. His turret only goes up to level 2 by default and he doesn't charge ultimate while sitting next to it and he can't get scrap. He has no support buildings, so he doesnt have any reason to fight next to his turret, especially because him repairing it without ulti won't allow it to survive concentrated fire. Instead he plays away from his turret, while still being in range of it, roving about the area like a greyshirt with a fireaxe looking for people to fuck up. His shotgun fires accurately at long range and is one of the most devistating close range weapons in the game, and his main way to support his team is to give them armor packs which serve as extra health.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon May 16, 2016 10:37 pm #176986

dezzmont wrote: while there basically isn't a heavy in this game save for maybe Bastion.

Oh come on, there's a big russian who has a point and click damage beam just like heavy
That's got to be the most obvious direct comparison

Sure, it's an energy beam, but she's still slow as shit and just clicks people to damage them until they die

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Mon May 16, 2016 11:47 pm #176994

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Local man in denial

Ey' man, I ain't disapprovin'.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Tue May 17, 2016 12:48 am #177007

Engineer is kinda spread out across Torbjorn (turret), the forcefield lady (teleporter and miniturrets) and Lucio (dispenser)

Mei is like an antipyro, her weapon slows enemies down while the flamethrower speeds them up (in that they try to get away from you and to a medkit/body of water as soon as possible)

Spy is the odd one out, and even then McCreed with his gun is comparable to a Spy with the Ambassador

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Tue May 17, 2016 2:18 am #177025

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Tue May 17, 2016 5:37 am #177056

XSI wrote:
dezzmont wrote: while there basically isn't a heavy in this game save for maybe Bastion.
Oh come on, there's a big russian who has a point and click damage beam just like heavy
That's got to be the most obvious direct comparison

Sure, it's an energy beam, but she's still slow as shit and just clicks people to damage them until they die

I don't think anyone would call Zarya a heavy substitute. The heavy's primarily a set up character where as Zarya is more a poptart style artillery character.

She doesn't really have any gameplay in common with the heavy. Her 'damage beam' doesn't even come close to matching the carnage that the heavy does without a charge, and even fully charged its damage isn't very good, its a finisher for her alternate fire which is what you should be using most of the time. It also has a clip unlike the heavy, and its actually a rather restrictive clip regardless of your firemode, which means you can't just hold down the trigger.

What she really does is pop in and out of a fight using her beam to trade while her shield is up. She under no circumstances expects to get kills early in a fight, instead of just holding down the trigger on someone's face like the heavy she needs to get in cover as soon as her shield is down to wait for the cooldown to go down. All the while she is popping in and out of cover, something the heavy literally can't do, in order to land her AOE grenade ability for some free damage before startng up again. Once she gets to about 60 absorbed damage she mostly will stick to grenades exclusively unless you are at stupidly close range. If you are in the open and are fully charged you hop about firing the grenades and meleeing people to finish them off, again, somethign the heavy can't do.

Bastion is the clear heavy replacement because he mainly moves in, sits down, doesn't move, and just shoots people with a gun that has an insane TTK and kill potential per mag. He even has a god damn sandvitch. The main reason he isn't exactly like the heavy is because, save for his ultimate, he can't fight on the move at all, and plays a bit more like the actual engineer turret of the game.

If we are looking at someone who is big and fat and has a lot of HP and who just wants to get in your face and hold down the trigger Roadhog sorta is heavy-esque, but he isn't really going to do it for most heavy players.

Ricotez wrote:Engineer is kinda spread out across Torbjorn (turret), the forcefield lady (teleporter and miniturrets) and Lucio (dispenser)

Mei is like an antipyro, her weapon slows enemies down while the flamethrower speeds them up (in that they try to get away from you and to a medkit/body of water as soon as possible)

Spy is the odd one out, and even then McCreed with his gun is comparable to a Spy with the Ambassador

Its important to know though that no one plays like a passive nest engineer like in TF2. Torbjorn may have the most iconic part of the kit but on every level he is discouraged from sitting on his gun smacking it, and instead roams around near it looking to blast people in the head with an instant kill shotgun. Symmetria plays very agressively with her turrets, and uses them more like traps than anything else, she has to set up a bit out of the way and doesn't do much to prevent enemies from pushing directly onto the point. And Lucio's emulation of the dispenser is entirely passive and he should generally have it off half the time anyway while the team is starting a fight.

The Pyro actually does speed enemies up, you run slightly faster when on fire. That said Mei plays pretty much identically to a pyro: Know the map, flank around, block shots and movement, kill people from behind.

As there is no real engineer class, and because snipers have much better counters from attack heroes, there is no spy, not really. I wouldn't even say McCree plays that similarly to an ambassidor spy, like An0n3 said the gun isn't actually that amaizng at range, its just sorta notable that someone so lethal at close range has the option to poke. Reaper plays a lot like your classic camper spy, as does Tracer, they both play very agressively behind enemy lines and are exceptionally good at killing snipers. They both also can take out bastion and Torbjorn very easily as well.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Tue May 17, 2016 10:57 am #177091

I noticed quickly that playing Torbjorn as the Engineer is not going to work very well, unless you're defending a specific point. Even then he has the same counters as Bastion in sentry-mode.

Overwatch is faster-paced than TF2, and Torbjorn is designed for that. You can put a new L1 sentry down every time it goes off CD, without having to spend scrap. It's not very strong but it is very annoying and a tremendous distraction. If your enemy prioritizes your sentry over you, it gives you the chance to flank them or retreat, and if your enemy prioritizes you over your sentry, let that extra DPS count and kill them before they kill you.

It's like a better implementation of the mini-sentry from TF2.

Post by **oranges** » Tue May 17, 2016 11:35 am #177096

There's no way she's that fat otherwise her head would be comically undersized for her body.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Tue May 17, 2016 1:07 pm #177105

My only real complaint about the art direction in Overwatch is ALL THESE GIANT FUCKING MOON BOOTS

SERIOUSLY WHY

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Tue May 17, 2016 4:56 pm #177151

An0n3 wrote:My only real complaint about the art direction in Overwatch is ALL THESE GIANT FUCKING MOON BOOTS

SERIOUSLY WHY

I love big boots, dunno what you're complaining a-boot

Supermichael777 · Tue May 17, 2016 5:16 pm

You need big boots to kick peoples asses.

In all seriousness, its just Zaria and Mei, probably both snow boots considering Russial and Antartica. everyone else has stylish shoes or is wearing power armor.

Supermichael777 · Tue May 17, 2016 6:12 pm

Sad I cant wall-bang people with Widow-maker's rail-gun because INFRA-VISION. guess i just need to prefire people until I get perm'd.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Tue May 17, 2016 6:36 pm #177182

You shouldn't wall bang to begin with because you have stupid mobility.

Abuse the shit out of it, keep moving after every shot. This isn't Counter Strike, whilst your weapon is a one hit kill to everything bar tanks you should play her more like a Hanzo than anything else.

Move around whilst scoped, your accuracy doesn't fall off, use your poison mine (it does a shit ton of damage and it kills tracer with just one if she doesn't warp back.) on cooldown into big groups of enemies.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Tue May 17, 2016 8:08 pm #177194

An0n3 wrote:My only real complaint about the art direction in Overwatch is ALL THESE GIANT FUCKING MOON BOOTS

SERIOUSLY WHY

It's a blizzard thing man. You know that.

captain sawrge · Wed May 18, 2016 12:12 am

An0n3 wrote:Mei's a shortstack. Nothing wrong with that.

are you retarded

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Wed May 18, 2016 1:03 am #177282

Skorvold · Post by **Skorvold** » Wed May 18, 2016 6:16 am #177351

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed May 18, 2016 7:08 am #177353

captain sawrge wrote:
An0n3 wrote:Mei's a shortstack. Nothing wrong with that.
are you retarded

Supermichael777 · Wed May 18, 2016 2:23 pm

I am actually willing to go off steam,

THAT IS HOW MUCH I WANT THIS.

Hopefully crates remain free. Not like Blizzard needs money anyway.

Origins edition looks to be milking WoW players, those nerds would totally shell out 60 bucks for a pet.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:41 pm #177420

i shilled out the 60 bucks because blizzard are a good company.......

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:47 pm #177422

also dva is the type of chick to drink hot6....

im the type of guy to also drink hot6....
tho real talk drinking hot6 was a dissapointment everyone always hyped it up i drank it and..... its watered down redbull.

thanks lotte

Supermichael777 · Wed May 18, 2016 8:45 pm

My wallet is now 40 Neo-Shekels lighter.

I don't feel bad pre-ordering because i know it isn't shit.

captain sawrge · Wed May 18, 2016 10:29 pm

Supermichael777 wrote:My wallet is now 40 Neo-Shekels lighter.

I don't feel bad pre-ordering because i know it isn't shit.

ignorance is bliss

captain sawrge · Wed May 18, 2016 10:30 pm

An0n3 wrote:
captain sawrge wrote:
An0n3 wrote:Mei's a shortstack. Nothing wrong with that.
are you retarded

dio you know wehat wthat wiord nmeans ior

EndgamerAzari · Wed May 18, 2016 10:37 pm

sawrge are you having a stroke

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Thu May 19, 2016 12:47 am #177593

http://gfycat.com/FirsthandSkeletalCero EDIT: Fixed broken link

playing with first timers

Supermichael777 · Thu May 19, 2016 2:58 am

The back story is screaming for a RTS but we all know blizzard don't make those anymore.

also seems like it's screaming out for 6vsHORDE coop plot missions. My bet is they'll do blackwatch missions with limited character rosters."We need you to break into this place, steal this data by holding the point, and come get captured for the handoff. Expect defense robots and talon agents/hanamura ninja so don't worry about the body count. make it look good, make sure we catch you, and make sure no one sees your face."

srifenbyxp · Post by **srifenbyxp** » Thu May 19, 2016 5:56 pm #177812

Spoiler:

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:43 pm #177835

This game has so much delicious backstory in it.

Not huge on plot but that backstory. God damn.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sat May 21, 2016 7:42 am #178327

There's only one girl in overwatch for me.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat May 21, 2016 7:55 am #178329

It's funny how many people in the game have artifical limbs.

McCree, Genji, Symmetra, Torbjorn, and Junkrat are all missing an arm.

You could say Genji is missing a lot of stuff but as far as animation goes you only ever see his right arm open up and reveal that it's a full prosthetic. There could be a lot more flesh and bone under the rest of him for all we know.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat May 21, 2016 8:37 am #178337

It's to fill the diversity quota.

Yes, you too can be a hero! Just get an extremely high tech prosthetic.

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Sat May 21, 2016 8:51 am #178339

I think it has more to do with the fact the world's history recently had a massive war against what was essentially a small scale Eclipse Phase TITAN rebellion, and most of the characters with replacement limbs are either veterans of that war or in the case of Junkrat directly affected by it.

The odd people out are Genji, though the thematic relevance of his cybernetics are obvious, and Symmetra, who's limb is actually an interesting mystery rather than signs of a life of combat/mad maxing it up. I suspect she either chose or was forced to lose the arm as part of becoming an architect for the Vishkar Corporation. Considering they are a despotic megacorp trying to impose their will over downtrodden populaces and are willing to murder people to do it, chopping off a girl's arm to train her to build shit for them seems in character.

Supermichael777 · Sun May 22, 2016 5:34 am

Might have been a genuine accident. Vishkar seem like the type to have really lax safety standards on their highly weaponizabl gear, so accidentally putting a wall in your arm might be a legitimate problem.

also apparently she's mildly autistic/oc.

also also Mei apparently had the choice between freezing to death or freezing to death on purpose. Overwatch disbanded and apparently no one thought to check on the guys in the artic who didn't call back for 10 years.

There is most certainly more to that story. Hopefully best wifu is not the thing.

Supermichael777 · Mon May 23, 2016 12:53 am

Party up tomorow? game drops at 7:00 EDT

My id is Supermichael

InsaneHyena · Mon May 23, 2016 10:08 am

It's hype noon.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Mon May 23, 2016 10:29 am #179014

Pretty excited. Now I don't have to play ss13.