Sec Krav Maga Poll

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:29 am #171084

Bottom post of the previous page:

Its a 10 damage punch that can be followed up with about 4 more 15 damage kicks, assuming you don't just whip out the baton and stun them regularly after.

Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:54 pm

Saegrimr wrote:Its a 10 damage punch that can be followed up with about 4 more 15 damage kicks, assuming you don't just whip out the baton and stun them regularly after.

batons are a 10 damage hit that stuns and can be followed up with 10~ more 10 damage hits, AND they can chainstun extremely reliably (the only real case where they wont is against adrenal implants/if they're low on charge (aka never)), AND each individual hit has a chance to knock down/knock out even when the baton is off.

literally the only advantage a leg sweep has over a stun baton is that it can't be disarmed (and disarm has a good chance to fail against batons anyways)

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:58 pm #171166

Can't be disarmed, infinite charge, no visual warning if you prep the action long beforehand which is completely feasible considering it doesn't hinder you in any way on help intent.

I guess the only downside is you need to be on not help intent to use it?

Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:01 pm

Saegrimr wrote:Can't be disarmed, infinite charge, no visual warning if you prep the action long beforehand which is completely feasible considering it doesn't hinder you in any way on help intent.

I guess the only downside is you need to be on not help intent to use it?

>no visual warning
stop this meme
they have big red poofy glove sprites, and an officer with a baton in his backpack can already walk up to you with no visual warning prior and whip out a baton

infinite charge doesnt really mean shit since you'll basically never stun enough people for it to matter (when was the last time you ran out of charge on a stunbaton besides the endround massacre)

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:04 pm #171169

You clearly aren't abusing the clown hard enough.

Also I was pretty certain weakened 2 used to be way shorter than it is now, like just slightly longer than slipping on 0 potency peels. Not sure what happened there.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:27 pm #171174

Just noticed you did add red glove sprites for security instead of just black gloves.

Still though, this motherfucker heard you talking about some "rev" shit on the radio. Which one are you going to notice as an immediate problem?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:41 pm #171180

Really, anything wearing red is a problem irrespective of mode.

Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:14 pm

^
that too, if you're on the run from sec it doesn't matter what they have out, you're not going to let them get into melee range in the first place

not to mention that if sec specifically has gloves, you'll know long in advance that they have them. it's not a guessing game of "does this guy have something that can stun me?" like it was with stungloves.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:36 am #171289

Years of training in a martial art but you simply cannot fight with that method without your special red gloves.....

What's the functional difference between this and a stun baton? I can see this being better due to it not being based on a battery charge AND its not as noticeable as a long thick shaft protruding from your hand. But aside from that a Stun Baton would emerge triumphant as it would be more reliable.

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:49 am #171291

Steelpoint wrote:Years of training in a martial art but you simply cannot fight with that method without your special red gloves.....

What's the functional difference between this and a stun baton? I can see this being better due to it not being based on a battery charge AND its not as noticeable as a long thick shaft protruding from your hand. But aside from that a Stun Baton would emerge triumphant as it would be more reliable.

martial arts hurts without some form of protection for your hands.

This is ss13, everyone is squishy and beefy at the same time.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:34 pm #171322

Steelpoint wrote:Years of training in a martial art but you simply cannot fight with that method without your special red gloves.....

What's the functional difference between this and a stun baton? I can see this being better due to it not being based on a battery charge AND its not as noticeable as a long thick shaft protruding from your hand. But aside from that a Stun Baton would emerge triumphant as it would be more reliable.

The gloves are electronic, and create an artificial form of muscle memory by shocking (very delicately) the right nerves. You don't have much training at all, that's why anyone can pick up a pair of the krav maga gloves and use them themselves.

Post by **Cobby** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:57 pm #171331

At the very least give this to the HoS and the Warden.

Nothing wrong with people playing sec jobs for the LOOT [if you're warden you won't use it frequently anyways]

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:34 pm #171378

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:At the very least give this to the HoS and the Warden.

Nothing wrong with people playing sec jobs for the LOOT [if you're warden you won't use it frequently anyways]

implying poeple doesnt make a stunprod and validhunt anyways for the loot

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:38 pm #171409

Should be an implant instead of gloves, makes more sense its some kind of brain implant.
Plus it doesn't add to the loot factory thing sec are.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:54 pm #171444

^^Yeah that's probably for the best. This would be insane if a holo user got them. Then again anything is insane if the person has a holo but that's a problem with holos.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:47 am #171481

zilenan and malk pls go

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:47 am #171482

zilenan and malk pls go

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:48 am #171484

iamgoofball wrote:zilenan and malk pls go

Double post lewl

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:56 am #171488

iamgoofball wrote:zilenan and malk pls go

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:36 am #171509

More loot for the antag god.

I don't have a strong opinion either way on this but I think it should be a implant and not a glove.

Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:28 am

Steelpoint wrote:More loot for the antag god.

I don't have a strong opinion either way on this but I think it should be a implant and not a glove.

I am very on edge about giving them as implants, because then there really won't be any way to see it coming. That, and them being stolen by antags is pretty much half the point: If they're given to only the warden or HoS, they'll be a unique and desirable item to steal, not unlike the HoS's crazy snowflake laser.

Oh, and I should mention in this thread that in my opinion these would be best suited as warden-only, but I left the other options/PRs up just for all of you guys.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:34 am #171518

Give them implants but put a few spare ones in the armory on a rack or something

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:44 am #171545

iamgoofball wrote:zilenan and malk pls go

Opinions are like arse holes, everyone has one but yours made goof chem so therefore is a stinky unwashed Indian mud butt.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:30 am #171566

Wyzack wrote:We Kung Fury now. best day of my life

Make Kung Fury a special power. To get it you have to be stung by a ling and shocked by a tesla orb at the same time. It allows you to punch people they go crashing through every wall behind them into space. Grabs let you rip people's brains or lungs out depending on whether you're targeting the head or abdomen. Disarms rip peoples' arms off. As a downside you can't use the help intent. Trying to hug people causes you to hug them so hard their brains pop out and they take 100 damage to their head. Trying to perform CPR deals 100 damage to their abdomen and makes their lungs pop out.

If you're an antag and you get the power you get all the same moves but you turn into Adolf Hitler.

Years of training in a martial art but you simply cannot fight with that method without your special red gloves.....

Should be an implant instead of gloves, makes more sense its some kind of brain implant.

Add some wires to the sprites. Bam, they're experimental gloves that use plasma optic cables that utilize a blue space nano processor or some other SS13 bullshit like that to provide the user with special martial arts skills so long as the user is wearing them. (Hell I might actually try making up some basic sprites for that tomorrow if I'm not feeling too lazy)

Alternatively we go with the simple reason that this is a game with fucking space wizards, magic mimes, space clowns, and eldritch abominations and it don't got to explain shit.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:32 pm #171629

Jacough wrote:
Wyzack wrote:We Kung Fury now. best day of my life
Make Kung Fury a special power. To get it you have to be stung by a ling and shocked by a tesla orb at the same time. It allows you to punch people they go crashing through every wall behind them into space. Grabs let you rip people's brains or lungs out depending on whether you're targeting the head or abdomen. Disarms rip peoples' arms off. As a downside you can't use the help intent. Trying to hug people causes you to hug them so hard their brains pop out and they take 100 damage to their head. Trying to perform CPR deals 100 damage to their abdomen and makes their lungs pop out.

That's not how combat goes in Kung Fury at all!

Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:26 pm

Design lead Kor has closed the HoS and Sec officer PRs, so at most this is only going to be given to the warden

Post by **oranges** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:48 am #171884

>long thick shaft protruding from your hand

did you do that on purpose?

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:05 pm

kor sucks

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:51 pm #171977

PKPenguin321 wrote:Design lead Kor has closed the HoS and Sec officer PRs, so at most this is only going to be given to the warden

literally fucking why

why

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:58 pm #171979

You should close the poll and give it to the chaplain instead.

Kor won't be able to resist twinking out his favoured job even more.

onleavedontatme · Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:36 pm

Not sure if you guys noticed that the majority in the poll (62%) voted against all officers having it.

Plus people are already leery about STUN GLOVES 2.0, so it's probably best to start small and see how it plays out from there.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:23 pm #172001

Malkevin wrote:You should close the poll and give it to the chaplain instead.

Kor won't be able to resist twinking out his favoured job even more.

CHAPLAIN IS *LUNG PUNCH* *SLAM SLAM SLAM* RIP

Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:46 pm

it got merged

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:31 pm #172016

Can't wait to play warden and deal with a shitler I'm brigging only to neck punch him and get lucky with the sec hailer bleating out "SHUT UP CRIME!"

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:57 am #172080

Malkevin wrote:Can't wait to play warden and deal with a shitler I'm brigging only to neck punch him and get lucky with the sec hailer bleating out "SHUT UP CRIME!"

Be efficient, play HoS and order the Warden to hand them over.

Remember: as man in charge of the redshirts, you have to piss off everyone you come in contact with.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:56 am #172084

Hmm, maybe I could swap the door unlocker for his magic gloves

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:56 am #172096

Well, played a round of this.

The virologist with his magic virus was altogether unimpressed by not being permitted to breathe, or being knocked down five times a second.
Literally being stomped to death was slightly more exciting, apparently.

Super Aggro Crag · Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:25 am

so why did kor close the other PRs

are we not allowed to test things

its kinda weird how his bff hornygranny can "test" things for a week like fundamentally changing the damage scaling of the entire game or removing an entire player role but we can't even test "punch guys"

onleavedontatme · Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:02 pm

>why dont coders listen to players?? Fucking tyrants!
>wait why are you listening to this vote of players?? Just force it on them like HG does!

Okay

And this is a test by the way. We get to see how these gloves play out over days and weeks instead of anecdotal evidence from a couple of rounds while juggling other test merges (we get around 70 prs per week, and many people want their shit tested) and server updates.

WarbossLincoln · Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:24 pm

Here's the real question. Can a monkey leg sweep someone? I can't remember if they have glove slots or not. And if not, why not?

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:35 pm #172128

Yeah first round I saw of this, HoS ran straight to the warden and stunned then took the gloves.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:38 pm #172129

That HoS should be valid for at least demotion tbh

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:54 pm #172131

While that is shitty behavior I should note that we're in a situation where for the first time a non-HoS security official has access to a exclusive item that the HoS normally does not have access to, or at least a better variant of.

I think the HoS and the Warden should get the gloves to avoid any conflicts.

Also I should note I voted to not give this item to anyone.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:32 pm #172136

I think the Warden should get them implanted so the HoS can go eat a dong.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:36 pm #172137

I think the HoS should stay out of the warden's business. If I'm playing warden and the HoS takes my gloves by force, I will kill him and space his body.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:37 pm #172138

Warden gloves can be dyed
Now its stungloves 3.0

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:44 pm #172142

Kor wrote:>why dont coders listen to players?? Fucking tyrants!
>wait why are you listening to this vote of players?? Just force it on them like HG does!

Okay

And this is a test by the way. We get to see how these gloves play out over days and weeks instead of anecdotal evidence from a couple of rounds while juggling other test merges (we get around 70 prs per week, and many people want their shit tested) and server updates.

Not really much of a test when the only person that has them is the monkey in the glass cage, who rarely makes direct contact with people that aren't already cuffed.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:22 pm #172149

The HoS is within his rights when he removes the Warden's gloves, since they may titillate the warden into leaving his station due to their high value as a "combat patrol" item

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:05 pm #172161

If the HoS tries to take my gloves I'm going to lung punch him, baton him and throw him in the trash

WarbossLincoln · Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:09 pm

Grazyn wrote:The HoS is within his rights when he removes the Warden's gloves, since they may titillate the warden into leaving his station due to their high value as a "combat patrol" item

By that logic the HOS shouldn't have them either. HOS is supposed to spend most of his time directing sec and only get directly involved in crises. I think it makes sense for the warden to have them for prisoner control. What's the first thing a shithead is going to do if he gets out of cuffs, disarm spam the warden. If the warden had his baton out and the RNG gods fail him he's dead. In an ideal situation you stun then uncuff but there is always the risk of enough chaos for some shitter to get loose on his own, lag causes him to wake up while you're still uncuffing and he gets the drop on you, etc.

And not even normal prisoners, people get really salty when they get arrested when innocent and flip shit. I've had lots of occasions where someone gets brought in with no evidence and a mistake was made, but I'd say 25% of the time when I uncuff them to let them go they immediately disarm spam me and try to rob/kill me cause "LOL SEC ARRESTED ME 4NRAISON, EVEN THOUGH HE LET ME GO - SHICURITY!!!, VALID"

It's nice for the warden to have a knockdown that can't be turned back on him for dealing with the tide of autism that is the 5 or 6 players we have that only play to cause trouble every single round and then attack sec.

Super Aggro Crag · Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:25 pm

Kor wrote:>why dont coders listen to players?? Fucking tyrants!
>wait why are you listening to this vote of players?? Just force it on them like HG does!

Okay

And this is a test by the way. We get to see how these gloves play out over days and weeks instead of anecdotal evidence from a couple of rounds while juggling other test merges (we get around 70 prs per week, and many people want their shit tested) and server updates.

>the vote of the players

so you ignore the 23 people saying "yes"? you don't get to cherry pick which results you like, you fucking mongoloid shiteating trash serpent.

Should Krav Maga be added to sec officers?