Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
- Shaps-cloud
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Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
I thought that there was already a consensus that raiding the armory and killing people as an abductor was a bad thing, but apparently it's not codified so here we are. Using total omnisence and the ability to teleport anywhere and start killing people is dumb and against the whole "catch and release" purpose of abductors. Despite the decisions made before saying that abductees don't have full antag status, there's no actual precedence for punishing people who go around killing people, so I'd like to propose that abductors who murder or otherwise abuse their positions (stealing a comms board and endlessly recall the shuttle comes to mind) open themselves up for punishments from admins ranging from having their role be given to another player to jobbans in more egregious cases.
Abductors are a really neat side antag that relies on the players in their position being good sports and not just trying to remove as many people from the round as possible to justify their powers, and they should be held responsible for those powers if they abuse them.
Abductors are a really neat side antag that relies on the players in their position being good sports and not just trying to remove as many people from the round as possible to justify their powers, and they should be held responsible for those powers if they abuse them.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Add a reminder to when they spawn otherwise it's just banning people for something that is allowed under the rules
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Reminds me of the round when abductors had me and like 3 other people and just kept us all asleep for the rest of the round.
[03:37:46]SAY: Uriel Sutton/Shad0vvs : Alright
[03:37:47]SAY: Uriel Sutton/Shad0vvs : Shoot her in the face
[03:37:54]SAY: Sabella Rose/Burningone : Space law
[03:38:02]SAY: Uriel Sutton/Shad0vvs : If she says space law again
[03:38:04]SAY: Uriel Sutton/Shad0vvs : Space her
[03:38:09]SAY: Phoebe Lotsu/Shaps : The true space law
[03:37:47]SAY: Uriel Sutton/Shad0vvs : Shoot her in the face
[03:37:54]SAY: Sabella Rose/Burningone : Space law
[03:38:02]SAY: Uriel Sutton/Shad0vvs : If she says space law again
[03:38:04]SAY: Uriel Sutton/Shad0vvs : Space her
[03:38:09]SAY: Phoebe Lotsu/Shaps : The true space law
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
If I see you doing this instead of abducting people I will dust you, ban you from ghost roles, and put give you a note warning other admins you are not a good choice for events.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Just permaban them
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Random murderboning is shit and anybody who does it should be banned from abductor, but emptying the armory is a perfectly valid tactic. I strip sec officers I abduct for a reason: why should I leave them with their guns so they can dunk me later?
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Emptying the armory is probably fine just don't fucking gat people with all the guns
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
For once Zil is rightZilenan91 wrote:Emptying the armory is probably fine just don't fucking gat people with all the guns
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
one time i murderboned as an abductor (with prompting from the other abductor who was being played by an admin) and got bwoinked by shaps, i immediately pulled out and apologized and it was pretty much gucci after that
so basically just put like a big ol' red warning on their screen saying that they're a passive antag and their main goal is not to kill people, that should be good enough
so basically just put like a big ol' red warning on their screen saying that they're a passive antag and their main goal is not to kill people, that should be good enough
i play Lauser McMauligan. clown name is Cold-Ass Honkey
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
That person probably shouldn't be an admin then ;0PKPenguin321 wrote:one time i murderboned as an abductor (with prompting from the other abductor who was being played by an admin) and got bwoinked by shaps, i immediately pulled out and apologized and it was pretty much gucci after that
so basically just put like a big ol' red warning on their screen saying that they're a passive antag and their main goal is not to kill people, that should be good enough
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
I do think its fine for them to murderbone if they lost the means to carry out their mission though.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
If they lose their equipment, they should abduct people for points to buy replacements, or pray really hard whilst abducting people.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Give them an inability to use Human based weapons and spare regular batons/silencers along with their box of handcuffs. That way, losing your advanced baton isn't the end of the world.
Oh and murderboning as an Abductor is bad, you do stand on being ghosted and your role being given to someone else if you do it.
Oh and murderboning as an Abductor is bad, you do stand on being ghosted and your role being given to someone else if you do it.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Now there's a fucking golden idea.TheNightingale wrote:If they lose their equipment, they should abduct people for points to buy replacements,
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
except for the part where you need certain equipment to abduct people in the first place.Saegrimr wrote:Now there's a fucking golden idea.TheNightingale wrote:If they lose their equipment, they should abduct people for points to buy replacements,
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
If you lose your baton in the first abduction, you earned the walk of shame out an airlock.CPTANT wrote: except for the part where you need certain equipment to abduct people in the first place.
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Eh not like the crew treats them well enough to deserve any better.
Buff decloner waste every hominid.
Buff decloner waste every hominid.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
The decloner is already really good last I checked
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
not sure if you're being sarcastic but this is literally already how it worksSaegrimr wrote:Now there's a fucking golden idea.TheNightingale wrote:If they lose their equipment, they should abduct people for points to buy replacements,
i play Lauser McMauligan. clown name is Cold-Ass Honkey
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
It's Saegrimr. Sarcasm is literally his blood.PKPenguin321 wrote:not sure if you're being sarcastic but this is literally already how it worksSaegrimr wrote:Now there's a fucking golden idea.TheNightingale wrote:If they lose their equipment, they should abduct people for points to buy replacements,
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Is it okay to steal stun equipment? Once the humans are aware of you, things become HARDMODE. Things you absolutely must steal once your cover is blown includes a high-access ID (Allows you to teleport into a quiet room near your target), medical supplies (because despite your ability to escape on a moment's notice, damage does occur!), and a ranged stun weapon (allows you to abduct someone who is in a group).
Abductor equipment is powerful, and all you need when you are undiscovered, but once the crew knows you exist, your standard loadout is insufficient. Even while still undiscovered, stealing an ID makes a world of difference in your effectiveness. The station lacks full camera coverage, therefore a proper ID is needed to extend your reach.
Abductor equipment is powerful, and all you need when you are undiscovered, but once the crew knows you exist, your standard loadout is insufficient. Even while still undiscovered, stealing an ID makes a world of difference in your effectiveness. The station lacks full camera coverage, therefore a proper ID is needed to extend your reach.
Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Ayyliens should have hands that are completely unhumanlike, so they can't use human equipment and vice versa.
If you get discovered and lose your equipment it should be your turn on the operating table
If you get discovered and lose your equipment it should be your turn on the operating table
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
That's actually a really good idea. I'm all for abductors fucking with equipment and spacing the armory, but actually using it is another story.Malkevin wrote:Ayyliens should have hands that are completely unhumanlike, so they can't use human equipment and vice versa.
If you get discovered and lose your equipment it should be your turn on the operating table
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
I'm okay with them being able to use basic human equipment (pick up a toolbox, etc), but guns aren't really 'basic'. You know how hulks can't fire guns? Make it like that.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
"Ayy, look, it's something resembling one of our own weapons, that has roughly the same shape, I can clearly see a barrel and a trigger, geez...how the fuck do I use this?"TheNightingale wrote:I'm okay with them being able to use basic human equipment (pick up a toolbox, etc), but guns aren't really 'basic'. You know how hulks can't fire guns? Make it like that.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Which is why monkeys, especially ones that used to be humans who knew how to do so, not being able to use guns is stupid bullshit.
Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Monkeys have humanish hands, ayyliens should have something weird like a hand of three opposable thumbs.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
There was a bug that let lizards use ayy guns a while ago so take that nazi man
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Pretty much anything short of crab people would be able to grasp hold handle press trigger bullets come out and even they would manage a spray of bullets by holding at the trigger. I mean our guns don't even have safeties and at that point it becomes essentially hold rod and press. Would they be as accurate? No I would love randomly deviating shots to show and awkward or weak grip but not being able to shoot at all is nonsense.Malkevin wrote:Monkeys have humanish hands, ayyliens should have something weird like a hand of three opposable thumbs.
We could always go the strength route and make ayys innate hulks or have gigantic hands or something but too many fingers is absurd.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Maybe they have the same hands as us, but you could bullshit it and say that they don't want to use the guns for research purposes. Why risk damaging this strange alien tech you found on this space station?Malkevin wrote:Monkeys have humanish hands, ayyliens should have something weird like a hand of three opposable thumbs.
That was actually intentional. In the code it had a comment saying "stealth lizard buff".Zilenan91 wrote:There was a bug that let lizards use ayy guns a while ago so take that nazi man
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
Just ban any asshole who pulls this shit. Though I suppose grabbing the shit and spacing it without killing everyone should be excusable.
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Re: Abductors raiding the armory and murderboning
we coders tend to be lazyATDoop wrote:That was actually intentional. In the code it had a comment saying "stealth lizard buff".Zilenan91 wrote:There was a bug that let lizards use ayy guns a while ago so take that nazi man
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