Simple Questions Thread

Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:23 pm

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if you put them into a human then you can get xeno powers like acid spit and other things

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:26 pm #127259

The best one to implant is the hive node - lets you use the hive mind chat the xenos use and makes you immune to facehugging, as well as letting you whisper if you install a plasma vessel. Incidentally I believe it's the plasma vessel that also lets you heal on weeds.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:02 pm #127480

PKPenguin321 wrote:if you put them into a human then you can get xeno powers like acid spit and other things

Is this also done through organ manipulation surgery? The wiki really needs to be updated with this stuff

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:39 pm #127487

Luke Cox wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:if you put them into a human then you can get xeno powers like acid spit and other things
Is this also done through organ manipulation surgery? The wiki really needs to be updated with this stuff

It's all organ manipulation, yes.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:37 am #127529

While we're on the topic, what all can you extract and what does each organ do?

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:06 am #127537

Luke Cox wrote:While we're on the topic, what all can you extract and what does each organ do?

Let's see if I can remember them all...

Hive Node from aiming at the head (not eyes or mouth) - lets you alien whisper, makes you immune to face hugging(maybe? either this or the plasma vessel does this), lets you hear alien hivemind. Easily the most useful for actually combating the aliens.
Plasma Vessel from aiming at the torso - you get a small one from hunters, a large one from queens, dunno about drones and sentinels. It lets you store plasma to use all the other cool alien abilities, lets you heal on weeds, and might make you immune to hugging?
Egg Sac from aiming at the groin - Queen only, lets you plant eggs (and nothing else?)
<Acid Spit Organ> from aiming at the mouth - Queen and Sentinel exclusive, lets you spit neurotoxin. I don't believe I've ever seen the name of this one.

I think that's all of them? Normally you only get hunters to do the surgery on who just have the hive nodes and the vessel.

Danowar · Post by **Danowar** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:22 am #127564

newfren wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:While we're on the topic, what all can you extract and what does each organ do?
Let's see if I can remember them all...

Hive Node from aiming at the head (not eyes or mouth) - lets you alien whisper, makes you immune to face hugging(maybe? either this or the plasma vessel does this), lets you hear alien hivemind. Easily the most useful for actually combating the aliens.
Plasma Vessel from aiming at the torso - you get a small one from hunters, a large one from queens, dunno about drones and sentinels. It lets you store plasma to use all the other cool alien abilities, lets you heal on weeds, and might make you immune to hugging?
Egg Sac from aiming at the groin - Queen only, lets you plant eggs (and nothing else?)
<Acid Spit Organ> from aiming at the mouth - Queen and Sentinel exclusive, lets you spit neurotoxin. I don't believe I've ever seen the name of this one.

I think that's all of them? Normally you only get hunters to do the surgery on who just have the hive nodes and the vessel.

Is there also a weed extract? I ask because I found one once in an abandoned crate while mining. I mean, it looked like an implant, and the RD said it was xeno-related, but literally no one seemed to know what it was for. I assumed it enabled planting xeno weeds, maybe?

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:00 am #127577

Oh yeah, one of those lets you plant weeds - I think it might also actually be the plasma vessel though.

Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:07 am

so the other day i rolled ling and every time i used any ability once or twice, i would have to wait upwards of a minute before being able to use literally any other ability (including Absorb and Transform). i prayed and admins said it was an ability cooldown. as far as i can tell lings didn't have an ability cooldown like that until the last time i played them
is it because there are certain abilities that trigger the cooldown? what caused this? is it some kind of ling nerf that i somehow didn't see go through the github? if so, then how are lings that fleshmend 20 times in a minute possible?

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:14 am #127754

PKPenguin321 wrote:so the other day i rolled ling and every time i used any ability once or twice, i would have to wait upwards of a minute before being able to use literally any other ability (including Absorb and Transform). i prayed and admins said it was an ability cooldown. as far as i can tell lings didn't have an ability cooldown like that until the last time i played them
is it because there are certain abilities that trigger the cooldown? what caused this? is it some kind of ling nerf that i somehow didn't see go through the github? if so, then how are lings that fleshmend 20 times in a minute possible?

Some abilities make it so that your genomes need to reassemble. This is mainly transform sting which makes you need to wait a shitton before you can do anything. Only some abilities trigger it, but it applies for all of them.

Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:44 am

who the fuck added that
were they really so buttblasted that they got their snowflake appearance changed that they had to nerf transformation sting to dust?
sheit

Screemonster · Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:25 am

PKPenguin321 wrote:who the fuck added that
were they really so buttblasted that they got their snowflake appearance changed that they had to nerf transformation sting to dust?
sheit

It was more that lings would break into genetics, make a humanmonkey with literally every genetic disability, then run around stinging people with it.

ShadowDimentio · Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:28 am

It's like the coders don't want ling to have anything interesting or good besides armor adrenaline regen armblade shield autismfest.

Not-Dorsidarf · Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:03 am

Intigracy butthurt-nerfed it because every ling round was nothing but turning the whole station into the clown.

AnonymousNow · Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:42 pm

Not a simple question, but...

Imagine the following scenario - during a mid-to-high population round, an Asimov AI receives an ion law telling it that there are 50 tigers on the station.

Now, a quick scan of lifeforms onboard the station reveals about a dozen monkeys, a handful of mice, a dog, a cat, a parrot, a goat, a scattering of tiny spiders, various flora & fungi, some cyborgs, maybe an android or two and - this being the important part - a number of crewmen roughly equalling 50.

Now, with the precedent of laws redefining the humanity of crewmen, and several non-humans being easy to spot amongst the crew off the bat whilst several others (changelings, shadowlings) are possibly amongst their number...

... can an AI conclude that the only possible circumstance in which its ion law is correct (which it is. That is how laws work.) is that the crewmen are the tigers?

This may seem like a silly question, or one that seems to be probing murderboner possibilities (you should know me better), but it plays into an important part of our silicon policy. What's your view on it?

TheNightingale · Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:12 pm

The tigers might be the dozen monkeys and thirty-eight of the crew. They might be invisible tigers. Perhaps there's fifty very small tigers in a SWAT suit somewhere. If the ion law doesn't match up with what you see, then what you see is wrong, because the law is always right. I doubt you'd be allowed to doorcrush people because they might be a tiger, but you'd be within your rights to call the shuttle, bolt everyone down and scream about probable harm.

... tigers are harmful, right?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:17 pm #127920

Not if they are indeed very small.

And not if kept fed. Or trained. Or maybe unconscious...and it never said the tigers are alive.

Screemonster · Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:17 am

the tigers are in the goddamn walls and must be hidden in places that don't have cameras, so naturally you have to bolt the maintenance doors and prevent the crew from being harmed by the tigers therein.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:19 am #128075

Where all can you find facehuggers? I want to raise and possibly harvest Xenos in Xenobiology.

Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:39 am

Luke Cox wrote:Where all can you find facehuggers? I want to raise and possibly harvest Xenos in Xenobiology.

mining asteroid, rarely
i think you can get simple animal xenos from goldslimes, too

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:42 am #128088

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Where all can you find facehuggers? I want to raise and possibly harvest Xenos in Xenobiology.
mining asteroid, rarely
i think you can get simple animal xenos from goldslimes, too

You can't harvest their organs though. Honestly, gold slimes should give facehuggers instead

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:28 pm #128185

>transform sting
>interesting in any way

it gets sort of boring after the 50th "oh, now everybody looks like eachother and NOTHING ELSE IS HAPPENING. HOW EXCITING"
same thing for hallucination sting.

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:35 pm

Luke Cox wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Where all can you find facehuggers? I want to raise and possibly harvest Xenos in Xenobiology.
mining asteroid, rarely
i think you can get simple animal xenos from goldslimes, too
You can't harvest their organs though. Honestly, gold slimes should give facehuggers instead

They give out statues, chaos carp, and brainslugs. If you want to meme hard, sentient a statue, have them kill stuff that spawns from statues until you get a slug, them sentient the slug and get a pet changeling.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:38 pm #128259

Wait, statues can spawn shit, too?

Jesus fucking...

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:46 pm

No wait shit I meant gold extracts

Stuff that spawn from the gold extracts

Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:38 am

this is more of a technical question: how are the odds for rolling latejoin antagonist calculated?
with standard antag roles, it's just 1/however many people are playing. but latejoin antagonists couldn't possibly be counted that way since there is no group of people to be randomly chosen out of.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:17 am #128466

Miauw wrote:>transform sting
>interesting in any way

it gets sort of boring after the 50th "oh, now everybody looks like eachother and NOTHING ELSE IS HAPPENING. HOW EXCITING"
same thing for hallucination sting.

One time the clown and I RPed to get the HoS demoted by transform-stinging him into a lizard and then convincing the Captain that a lizard secretly infiltrated command and should be removed from power.

and then I realized the ling team objective required the HoS's DNA, oops, honk

confused rock · Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:35 am

bandit wrote:
Miauw wrote:>transform sting
>interesting in any way

it gets sort of boring after the 50th "oh, now everybody looks like eachother and NOTHING ELSE IS HAPPENING. HOW EXCITING"
same thing for hallucination sting.
One time the clown and I RPed to get the HoS demoted by transform-stinging him into a lizard and then convincing the Captain that a lizard secretly infiltrated command and should be removed from power.

and then I realized the ling team objective required the HoS's DNA, oops, honk

Oh shit i think I was the hos that round that only worked because the captain was retarded.

Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:57 pm

how the fuck are you supposed to use stabilizing agent
after the agent and the now-stable reagents are in the same pool, it's basically impossible to separate them short of the chemmaster (as far as I can tell)

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:24 pm #128858

PKPenguin321 wrote:how the fuck are you supposed to use stabilizing agent
after the agent and the now-stable reagents are in the same pool, it's basically impossible to separate them short of the chemmaster (as far as I can tell)

Well yeah, you seperate it using the chem master. Important to note though, the stabilizing agent won't actually stop the reagent from going off when you hit it's "unstable" trigger (usually temperature). So you can fill a monkey with stablised sorium and whatever stabilizing agent you used to make it with and then set that monkey on fire - it will still trigger the sorium when that monkey gets to 474K.

Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:58 pm

ohhhh so you bypass the agent with temperature??
why the fuck isn't this mentioned on the wiki

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:31 am #128890

It's mentioned on every chem that you can stabilise how you can then trigger the chem to work again. If a chemical doesn't say it can be stabilised then it cannot, and will happen on mixing (i.e., nitroglycerin).

Oh actually just checked phlogiston and that doesn't say if there's a way to activate it at all. It's probably heat to 474K but I can't be sure.

Anyway all the other chems tell you how.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:22 pm #128978

Phlogistion activates when introduced to a person's body IIRC
The agent just stops it burping fire when you initially make it.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:15 pm #128992

maybe we should introduce a reagent that reacts with stabilizing agent to form water or something

might be cool

killerx09 · Post by **killerx09** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:21 pm #128997

How do you get Kudzu? I've spent close to one and a half hours, and something like a thousand units of mutagen and still cannot get kudzu.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:24 pm #128998

I thought you had to get a tray with lots of weeds and feed it a ton of sugar, but don't quote me on that

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:26 pm #129000

Fuck mutagen.

Spam sugar on an empty plot like crazy, and be sure to drop some pesticide in there as well.
If you get something other than kudzu, hose down that plot with plantkiller and try a new one while the old one dies.

killerx09 · Post by **killerx09** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:24 pm #129039

DemonFiren wrote:Fuck mutagen.

Spam sugar on an empty plot like crazy, and be sure to drop some pesticide in there as well.
If you get something other than kudzu, hose down that plot with plantkiller and try a new one while the old one dies.

Does it have to be a dirt plot, or can it be a hydrophonics tray?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:13 pm #129066

By "plot" I meant "object you can plant shit in". There's no functional difference except convenience.

killerx09 · Post by **killerx09** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:33 pm #129649

When I put a battery that isn't the default battery into a mech, then place the mech in the recharger, the cell always, without fail, goes faulty. How do I prevent this from happenening?

also, what does wizarditis do?

francinum · Post by **francinum** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:34 pm #129713

killerx09 wrote:When I put a battery that isn't the default battery into a mech, then place the mech in the recharger, the cell always, without fail, goes faulty. How do I prevent this from happenening?

Increase the cell reliability in Research to 100.

killerx09 wrote:what does wizarditis do?

Equips wizard clothing to you, makes you shout random incantations, and possibly teleport.

TheNightingale · Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:56 pm

You can also print a cell from an exosuit fabricator instead - they have 100% reliability, regardless of the Protolathe cells.

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:04 pm #129771

TheNightingale wrote:You can also print a cell from an exosuit fabricator instead - they have 100% reliability, regardless of the Protolathe cells.

This seems like a bug but because it circumvents a shitty mechanic I'm cool with it.

FantasticFwoosh · Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:14 pm

How robust are the new chainsaws? I sort of expected them to have a gimmick of cutting me into dices, but it only seems to be as strong as a watered down e-sword i guess.

Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:23 pm

FantasticFwoosh wrote:How robust are the new chainsaws? I sort of expected them to have a gimmick of cutting me into dices, but it only seems to be as strong as a watered down e-sword i guess.

they're basically fire axes
actually no, they're like a medium between fire axes and spears
but they're more leaning towards fire axes

confused rock · Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:40 am

PKPenguin321 wrote:
FantasticFwoosh wrote:How robust are the new chainsaws? I sort of expected them to have a gimmick of cutting me into dices, but it only seems to be as strong as a watered down e-sword i guess.
they're basically fire axes
actually no, they're like a medium between fire axes and spears
but they're more leaning towards fire axes

Id say more towards spears, considering the fact that you craft them and the fact that they are robust for throwing.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:01 am #129896

Spears > chainsaws at throwing simply because imbedding so godlike.

confused rock · Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:34 am

Zilenan91 wrote:Spears > chainsaws at throwing simply because imbedding so godlike.

I had 3 golems and a holoparasite and was attacking people with a chainsaw and winning, but when a group with tk came and disarmed me they were able to instacrit golems using the saw

confused rock · Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:33 am

Is it normal for molotovs to only burn a single tile?

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:37 am #130780

Yeah, they are kinda shit. They would be less bad if fire could burn things besides gas

FantasticFwoosh · Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:08 pm

The unloved rock wrote:Is it normal for molotovs to only burn a single tile?

Molotovs are like canister bombs, if you can fill them up with a specialist mix, or even use lighter fuel you can get a better reaction instead of using pure alcohol that only burns a single tile.

Wyzack wrote:Yeah, they are kinda shit. They would be less bad if fire could burn things besides gas

In its current form, its the safest way to functionally light gas without using a lightswitch with plasma filled lights, especially if you dont have a firesuit and are using it as a escape mechanic (Weld and lever all exits to escape shut, lay down plasma, throw lit molotov before you leave while you make a dash for the shuttle console to keep everyone occupied)