To ERP or not to ERP

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:00 am #108346

Bottom post of the previous page:

I don't think we'd need to push even that much, I think that'd be kind of an expected reaction from the crew.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:03 am #108347

Only if traitors use it to lure victims to their deaths

Skyglazer · Post by **Skyglazer** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:23 am #108349

kosmos wrote: An0n3's argument before that it was FORCED onto the deadchat and it could make them feel uncomfortable, I'd like to point these people who get uncomfortable to our current Rule 3 (a.k.a. man the fuck up) - OR just make a simple mute-feature for ghosts so the prunes can live in their fantasy world of we're-not-sexual-creatures.

Are there people that don't use the "only see chat/emotes from nearby mobs" prefs as ghosts?

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:49 am #108351

No, no fuck no. I just want to play a game about crazy space explosions and shit, not fucking watch creepy weaboos do their thing.

The only way I'd accept this is if it made the people who participate instavalid.

Post by **lumipharon** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:58 am #108352

Then... don't watch creepy weaboos do their thing?

Like christ, no one forces you to ghost, then spectate some erper - and unless you enjoy your chat being spammed by the entire fucking server non stop, you won't have your prefs set to see all chat and emotes in the game.
Most people I would assume have it set to local (pretty sure it starts that way by default).

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:12 am #108354

the ERP ban was always a stupid shit, i've never ERPed and probably never will and it's still fucking retarded

repeal

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:12 am #108360

Quite frankly, I don't think anyone who actually is a sane human being will yell at you if you kill people you catch ERPing.

So regardless of what happens, just murder ERPers, search the logs the next day, find what ckey was linked to their names, and then spread it aaaaallll over singulo, the forums, IRC, and OOC.

That's the best line of defense against ERPers. Public shaming works wonders.

Fr05tByt3 · Post by **Fr05tByt3** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:15 am #108361

iamgoofball wrote:Quite frankly, I don't think anyone who actually is a sane human being will yell at you if you kill people you catch ERPing.

So regardless of what happens, just murder ERPers, search the logs the next day, find what ckey was linked to their names, and then spread it aaaaallll over singulo, the forums, IRC, and OOC.

That's the best line of defense against ERPers. Public shaming works wonders.

I agree and think it would be hilarious.

But why do you need a "line of defense against ERPers"?
It honestly seems like the idea of sex makes you uncomfortable and you try to control other people's lives to better suit your own.

420weedscopes · Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:41 am

iamgoofball wrote:Quite frankly, I don't think anyone who actually is a sane human being will yell at you if you kill people you catch ERPing.

So regardless of what happens, just murder ERPers, search the logs the next day, find what ckey was linked to their names, and then spread it aaaaallll over singulo, the forums, IRC, and OOC.

That's the best line of defense against ERPers. Public shaming works wonders.

doxxing will definitely get you banned

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:43 am #108379

420weedscopes wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:Quite frankly, I don't think anyone who actually is a sane human being will yell at you if you kill people you catch ERPing.

So regardless of what happens, just murder ERPers, search the logs the next day, find what ckey was linked to their names, and then spread it aaaaallll over singulo, the forums, IRC, and OOC.

That's the best line of defense against ERPers. Public shaming works wonders.

doxxing will definitely get you banned

There's a difference between "here's this person's personal info, home, credit card number, and phone number for their grandmother" and "here's hillarious shit I found in the public logs after running into it myself ingame, laugh at them" and you know it.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:48 am #108380

When I had to deal with the shit that occurred as a result of ERP I wanted it removed.

Now that it's not my fucking problem anymore you guys should definitely allow it again.

It's the closest a lot of you are going to come to human contact anyway. You may as well enjoy eachother's company to the fullest extent.

EDIT: I should elaborate some.

ERP only became a problem when it became a protected, sanctioned thing and we had to take our hands of the buttons and stop having fun with it. Creating a safe haven for people to come type out all sorts of ridiculous bullshit between themselves while the rest of the station and admins had to just sit back and experience it sucked. That was the situation we wanted to get rid of entirely.

Bring it back, but also bring back the understanding that doing so will make you valid for all sorts of fuckery again. That was the fun part of it, all the best stories involve someone fucking with ERP'ers in a way that was later banned.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:59 am #108385

>players successfully browbeat the admins into letting their erp go unmolested

how did the admins get cucked so badly

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:03 am #108386

imblyings wrote:>players successfully browbeat the admins into letting their erp go unmolested

how did the admins get cucked so badly

I don't really know. If I had to guess it was probably one of the more ERP-hungry admins getting mad that the other admins kept throwing meteors at their fuckfriends.

I came back from a hiatus and was greeted with something like "...and oh by the way don't fuck with ERP'ers anymore." That was that.

Stickymayhem · Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:56 am

oranges wrote:Also any headmin who votes yes has a standing offer of a 100 dollar amazon voucher from me.

edit:higher rates negotiable on request, hit me up on irc

Deal.

mrpain · Post by **mrpain** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:58 am #108394

If you want to get your jollies off with a man pretending to be a woman on the internet there are better avenues of doing that than a 2d atmospheric spessman simulator.

But its your time and money, dont let me stop you.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:18 am #108399

im ok with erp returning only if erp still makes people valid to the admins.

peoplearestrange · Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:23 am

Miauw wrote:im ok with erp returning only if erp still makes people valid to the admins.

This.

I'd be happy to role back to where it was before. ERP is fine, but if the admins catch you, and feel like fucking with you, its perfectly fine. Otherwise its free game.

I don't think it should make you valid IC, that just seems really abusable and also pretty nonsensical in terms of RP.

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

I actually unbanned ERP for a few rounds in the last couple weeks and God didn't smite us for degeneracy.

ERP will never again be protected though that was fucking stupid. It's permaultravalid. Admins can do whatever they want to a 5x5 tile square in which ERP is taking place.

Also admins should be able to ERP too for reasons totally void of ulterior motives on my part.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:32 pm #108424

I'm eager to see the return of the Abstinence Corgi and the Evil STD Spirit that shits paralyzing gas everywhere while chasing them through walls.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:45 pm #108430

As long as ERP makes you insta valids sure bring it back.

The tears from breaking that shit up back in the day made it worth it.

Wolfy13 · Post by **Wolfy13** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:08 pm #108450

Legalise it fully on Basil because in lowpop there's nothing else for ghosts to popcorn over (especially with how unrobust s1 tators are), I don't see any point in restricting consentual ERP on any server, because it's hilarious to watch and even funnier when security busts down their door and throws them in the brig.

We have two servers, we may as well distinguish between them.

Gun Hog · Post by **Gun Hog** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:46 pm #108453

Will the headmins actually hold a vote on this, or is it just idle chatter at this point?

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:07 pm #108457

Wolfy13 wrote:Legalise it fully on Basil because in lowpop there's nothing else for ghosts to popcorn over (especially with how unrobust s1 tators are), I don't see any point in restricting consentual ERP on any server, because it's hilarious to watch and even funnier when security busts down their door and throws them in the brig.

We have two servers, we may as well distinguish between them.

I thought we wanted more people to play on Basil because of the whole map thing.

Doing that will make shit much worse for basil.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:09 pm #108459

I just want to point out that there is no privacy in SS13. Ghosts hear everything. The second option is invalid and shouldn't exist.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:40 pm #108464

Scott wrote:I just want to point out that there is no privacy in SS13. Ghosts hear everything. The second option is invalid and shouldn't exist.

Only if you were COMPLETELY insane and kept both station-wide chatter and station-wide emotes on at all times, where you'll have your chat box spammed so fast you won't have a clue what's happening.

Again, you can totally ignore it by turning those down to local chatter and just IGNORING what they're doing. We're all adults here, we can all choose to ignore what we read or give a shit about.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:49 pm #108466

Kor wrote:Really though my biggest problem with ERP is there isn't really a way to stop listening to it, because if the ERPers whisper you hear it as a ghost no matter what, and I don't want to read some interactive neckbeard smut when I'm trying to observe SS13.

Scott wrote:I just want to point out that there is no privacy in SS13. Ghosts hear everything. The second option is invalid and shouldn't exist.

Ghost-Whispers toggle is a thing now. You don't have to listen to them if you don't want to.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:55 pm #108467

Saegrimr wrote:I'm eager to see the return of the Abstinence Corgi and the Evil STD Spirit that shits paralyzing gas everywhere while chasing them through walls.

stay safe std spirit

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:56 pm #108468

Ikarrus wrote:
Kor wrote:Really though my biggest problem with ERP is there isn't really a way to stop listening to it, because if the ERPers whisper you hear it as a ghost no matter what, and I don't want to read some interactive neckbeard smut when I'm trying to observe SS13.

Scott wrote:I just want to point out that there is no privacy in SS13. Ghosts hear everything. The second option is invalid and shouldn't exist.
Ghost-Whispers toggle is a thing now. You don't have to listen to them if you don't want to.

So you HAVE to listen to the ERP If you want to see what is going on during the round after dying.

Yeah no thanks.

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:07 pm #108470

I change my mind, on the sole condition that we can brutally murder fucking erp'ers.

I will fill the gulag with their corpses.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:07 pm #108471

No he didn't say that at all.

What?

rdght91 wrote:I change my mind, on the sole condition that we can brutally murder fucking erp'ers.

I will fill the gulag with their corpses.

do that and you can also get fucking banned lol

onleavedontatme · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:10 pm

The vast majority seems to want this, griefing ERPers with buttons is fun, and oranges is bribing me so I'll vote yes with Sticky if we

-Remove the rule against ERP, but don't add a rule saying it's allowed. I think ERP in SS13 is a stupid idea (why would you ever want to?) and don't want to officially endorse it, even if I'm not gonna stop you from doing it.

-ERPers are free game for admins to spawn stupid shit on. If there was going to be any limit on this, it'd be "do the bare minimum to make it mildly entertaining, don't just delete/gib them." You can still kill them, just do it with swarms of bees or deadly gas or something instead of a gib.

-Counts as dereliction of duty if security catches you

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:33 pm #108478

finally corruption achieving something good!

its time for the safe sex kool aid man to redon his suit and bust through walls and blue balls OH YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Not-Dorsidarf · Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:38 pm

I'd like to present to any admin thinking of innovations in the business of fucking with erpers the following word:

"Morphs"

TheNightingale · Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:52 pm

I can't think of a good reason why anyone would actually ERP when we have deadchat and public logs, unless they're some kind of memey voyeur. The only thing readding it brings to the table is antag strategies like "Ay gurl, want to feel my tiny prick?~".

The benefit: now you too can be a black widow spider and devour your partner in the dorms.
The downsides: we'll get that reputation as the ERP server again, deadchat/logs will spectate, and there'll be really, really awful ERPers.

Is it worth it?

Edit: How about this? ERP is only allowed if it's well-written.

kosmos · Post by **kosmos** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:01 pm #108486

This is fucking awesome!

To me it's more about principle than practical use.
If you have a server full of adults murdering, cursing and running around nude, why ban sex. It's all or nothing, this is not some pussy-ass censored tv for kids, we're more hardcore than that and can fucking handle it.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:45 pm #108490

No. Do this shit somewhere else.

EDIT: Unless it's well written, funny or both.

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:46 pm #108491

It's funny as fuck

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:16 pm #108498

Hallelujah. ERP'ers are back and going to get fucked with harder than they ever anticipated.

Now bring bat fat sprites. Two great things that go great together (when forced on the participants).

Nienhaus · Post by **Nienhaus** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:31 pm #108501

An0n3 wrote:Now bring bat fat sprites. Two great things that go great together (when forced on the participants).

Have fun getting a spriter for that.
I'll take payment.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:31 pm #108502

I'm not really fussed at the idea of people ERPing, but the sheer amount of debate on the topic is weirding me out. Like, how can there be this many people that apparently think it's an essential part of the game? Maybe lots of people will be fucking off to ERP instead of playing. Is that something that bothers me? Well, I think it's strange, and I'm not sure I want it to be encouraged, but that means that I don't want it unbanned or banned, I just don't give a shit, so why wouldn't I vote for the status quo?

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:35 pm #108503

An0n3 wrote:Hallelujah. ERP'ers are back and going to get fucked with harder than they ever anticipated.

Now bring bat fat sprites. Two great things that go great together (when forced on the participants).

YES. BRING BACK FAT SPRITES. I need to be able play an Ignatius Reilly clone as a useless assistant and morality policeman for the station!

And give us Muumuu Dresses too! ... Hell make it so only fat people can wear them too.

Tokiko2 · Post by **Tokiko2** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:51 pm #108511

Wolfy13 wrote:Legalise it fully on Basil because in lowpop there's nothing else for ghosts to popcorn over (especially with how unrobust s1 tators are), I don't see any point in restricting consentual ERP on any server, because it's hilarious to watch and even funnier when security busts down their door and throws them in the brig.

We have two servers, we may as well distinguish between them.

Lowpop doesn't need their only head/engineer/antag immediatly running off to ERP all round and doing nothing else. If anything, enable it only on Sybil because on highpop it's far less likely to be disruptive to the round and there's far more admins and players to mess with the ERPers.

Ahammer18 · Post by **Ahammer18** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:34 pm #108516

I'll start formally typing up a set of rules revolving around ERP for the headmins to look over

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:50 pm #108518

Admin celibacy or no?

onleavedontatme · Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:01 pm

Didn't realize Ahammer was John_Oxford's alt.

Anyway ERP is unbanned go nuts you weirdos.

ColonicAcid · Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:08 pm

i see what you did there kor

i see what you did and i like it

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:10 pm #108526

<NikNakFlak> hey korphaeron
<NikNakFlak> did you actually get bribed
<NikNakFlak> ahammer and I had a bet
<NikNakFlak> and I need to know if outside influence had anything to do with it
<KorPhaeron> do you want me to screencap the email
<NikNakFlak> yes
<KorPhaeron> wait no it has the code in it
<Ahammer> Oh so you did
<NikNakFlak> censor the code
<Ahammer> lel
<NikNakFlak> well fuck I entered into a rigged bet I didn't know was rigged and got the tail end of a donkey pie
* NikNakFlak eats his hat.

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

Oranges bought ERP from the headministration for 200 bucks.

ERP is now allowed but fully valid to everything

tedward1337 · Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:16 pm

OH SHIT ITS UNBANNED
HAHAHAHAHA

tedward1337 · Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:17 pm

Stickymayhem wrote:Oranges bought ERP from the headministration for 200 bucks.

ERP is now allowed but fully valid to everything

This is just like real american politics

Ahammer18 · Post by **Ahammer18** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:18 pm #108531

So that means it valid to admins and players? Like no punishment for lynching sexy erpers?

Should ERP Be allowed