Ban the N word

[Qbopper]

Bottom post of the previous page:

that's it

if you want a line drawn clearly, there you go - if you use the n word in a context that isn't obviously good faith/clinical (eg. discussing a slur ban in a thread like this) you are banned. ban it from IC, ban it from OOC, ban it from discord and the forums. idc about the exact punishment since I'm just putting this up for discussion but you could make it zero tolerance or a one time temp ban followed by a permaban, if you like

I agree that these discussions do not start with enough nuance so let's narrow shit down to something where progress can actually be made instead of habing two sides that are already hyper entrenched in their views take potshots and get sidetracked on stupid bullshit

[Ghilker]

playing a black character basically invites people to call you the no no word, which would get them banned.
playing a black character should be against the rules, since its ban baiting.

[teepeepee]

the fact that every time revitiligo was released we all had fun talking in ebonics and ordering the chef to make us fried chicken and watermelon speaks volumes about how the players feel about this

[Gwyn]

I fully agree that people who say "nya" should be banned.

[Cobby]

If you get affected by a faceless nobody over the internet calling you "nigger","faggot", or whatever slur applies to yourself; you have more underlying issues that banning these people who have wronged you by using these words will not solve or even alleviate for that matter.

Says the straight white guy.

Making a jab about things you supposedly know about me that I can't control like my race, gender, sexuality (lol) because I don't hold the same viewpoint as you is childish, hypocritical, and already against the rules since it falls under harassment.

I'll chalk this time up to being passionate about the subject, but do it again and I'll report you. I don't think any comment of mine "egged" such a response.

[peoplearestrange]

playing a black character basically invites people to call you the no no word, which would get them banned.
playing a black character should be against the rules, since its ban baiting.

So when you meet a person of colour IRL you feel like your "Invited" to call them the n word? Really? Are your social skills that minimal?

[peoplearestrange]

If you get affected by a faceless nobody over the internet calling you "nigger","faggot", or whatever slur applies to yourself; you have more underlying issues that banning these people who have wronged you by using these words will not solve or even alleviate for that matter.

Says the straight white guy.

Making a jab about things you supposedly know about me that I can't control like my race, gender, sexuality (lol) because I don't hold the same viewpoint as you is childish, hypocritical, and already against the rules since it falls under harassment.

I'll chalk this time up to being passionate about the subject, but do it again and I'll report you. I don't think any comment of mine "egged" such a response.

As you put it "if you get affected by a faceless nobody over the internet calling you "straight white guy" or whatever slur applies to yourself; you have more underlying issues that banning these people who have wronged you by using these words will not solve or even alleviate for that matter."

I have 0 clue who you are a person, but the fact your offended by this or feel even called out by it enough to threaten to "report me next time" is exactly my point. Words have an impact, you could have ignored this and not even mentioned it seeing as that's apparently what everyone is supposed to do. Not talk about difficult things or things we don't like.

[Qustinnus]

If you get affected by a faceless nobody over the internet calling you "nigger","faggot", or whatever slur applies to yourself; you have more underlying issues that banning these people who have wronged you by using these words will not solve or even alleviate for that matter.

Says the straight white guy.

Making a jab about things you supposedly know about me that I can't control like my race, gender, sexuality (lol) because I don't hold the same viewpoint as you is childish, hypocritical, and already against the rules since it falls under harassment.

I'll chalk this time up to being passionate about the subject, but do it again and I'll report you. I don't think any comment of mine "egged" such a response.

As you put it "if you get affected by a faceless nobody over the internet calling you "straight white guy" or whatever slur applies to yourself; you have more underlying issues that banning these people who have wronged you by using these words will not solve or even alleviate for that matter."

I have 0 clue who you are a person, but the fact your offended by this or feel even called out by it enough to threaten to "report me next time" is exactly my point. Words have an impact, you could have ignored this and not even mentioned it seeing as that's apparently what everyone is supposed to do. Not talk about difficult things or things we don't like.

except you want to blanket ban the word without it being targetted, and you specifically targetted cobby because you assumed he was a white straight male which is far shittier than any of the problems you've raised in this thread so far.

sorry pas nice try but you've exposed yourself as the prejudiced asshole we expected you to be.

[Cobby]

Sorry i'm used to writing in the hut so my last post was just me being disingenuous because you were (acting as if you were) being hypocritical.

I don't care if you call me anything really, even if you use the mighty "faggot". If it bothered me I'd just block you or avoid you. Not like you calling me mean names is going to make me like guys less or anything lol.

I guess this is a failing on my part since I said "calling you" which is not what this thread is about, it would be more appropriate if I had said...

If you get affected by a faceless nobody over the internet saying "nigger","faggot", or whatever slur that happens to apply to yourself; you have more underlying issues that banning these people who have wronged "you" by using these words in a non-targeted fashion will not solve or even alleviate for that matter.

[peoplearestrange]

I guess my point was (though badly executed) that the reason so many of the players seemingly are ok with the N word and a few other passed around slurs (though that isn't what this thread is about) is that it doesn't effect them. Its meaningless to them and therefore it becomes discounted.

But I don't believe we should be judging something on whether it effects ONLY us, this is the very base of even our server rules. "Your fun shouldn't come at the expense of everybody else's". And I feel that this is what it does do, your "need" to say this slur directly effects other people, whether you say its targeted or not. The word itself is targeted, its only towards a minority, with very negative connotations and history.

This is the point I'm failing to get across. Partly its because I'm not actually very good at arguing my point or debating. But it is something I believe in as a core belief and I'd like to have at least 1 person understand the point in trying to make.

Does that make more sense?

[Qustinnus]

I guess my point was (though badly executed) that the reason so many of the players seemingly are ok with the N word and a few other passed around slurs (though that isn't what this thread is about) is that it doesn't effect them. Its meaningless to them and therefore it becomes discounted.

But I don't believe we should be judging something on whether it effects ONLY us, this is the very base of even our server rules. "Your fun shouldn't come at the expense of everybody else's". And I feel that this is what it does do, your "need" to say this slur directly effects other people, whether you say its targeted or not. The word itself is targeted, its only towards a minority, with very negative connotations and history.

This is the point I'm failing to get across. Partly its because I'm not actually very good at arguing my point or debating. But it is something I believe in as a core belief and I'd like to have at least 1 person understand the point in trying to make.

Does that make more sense?

No, there's the following issues with your dumb take on this problem

1. You put the N word on a pedestal. This either means you don't care about other slurs or that you'd ban a lot more shit after.
2. If you want a community which works as a safe space you are in the wrong community. Goon and yog have been far more like what you'd want and you trying to radically change everyone's mind is just making everyone think you're a clown. Go to yog or goon where all the similar minded people you want are.
3. People getting mad about a word not targetted at them have psychological issues that they should get help for. Sligneris got fucking mad if you even uttered the word vox, do we ban the word vox to help people like them?

[peoplearestrange]

1. You put the N word on a pedestal. This either means you don't care about other slurs or that you'd ban a lot more shit after.

What is this specific thread titled?

2. If you want a community which works as a safe space you are in the wrong community. Goon and yog have been far more like what you'd want and you trying to radically change everyone's mind is just making everyone think you're a clown. Go to yog or goon where all the similar minded people you want are.

Attempting to force me out by saying "I say no, go else were" isn't an argument or a solution

3. People getting mad about a word not targetted at them have psychological issues that they should get help for. Sligneris got fucking mad if you even uttered the word vox, do we ban the word vox to help people like them?

Vox isn't a slur.

Seriously stop being simple. At least Im having a debate with cobby.

[Qustinnus]

1. You put the N word on a pedestal. This either means you don't care about other slurs or that you'd ban a lot more shit after.

What is this specific thread titled?

thats the issue retard

[deedubya]

3. People getting mad about a word not targetted at them have psychological issues that they should get help for. Sligneris got fucking mad if you even uttered the word vox, do we ban the word vox to help people like them?

Vox isn't a slur.

Seriously stop being simple. At least Im having a debate with cobby.

If you get affected by a faceless nobody over the internet calling you "nigger","faggot", or whatever slur applies to yourself; you have more underlying issues that banning these people who have wronged you by using these words will not solve or even alleviate for that matter.

Says the straight white guy.

I know this is the first time you've ever been directly called out for your horrid ideas, but ad-hom is typically not seen as a winning debate strategy.

Seriously, how can you expect anyone to give any weight to any arguments you make from here on out now that you've openly admitted you're an actual, honest to God bigot?

[Timonk]

its just a game my dudes

none of you would say nigger IRL and i support cobbys point fully

[wet socks]

does the Ignore button still not work?

[BeeSting12]

does this include with an a or just the hard r

[Istoprocent1]

What about niggardly?

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries. ... /niggardly

[Tlaltecuhtli]

n word and other slurs are almost never used in game

[BeeSting12]

What about niggardly?

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries. ... /niggardly

niggardly isn't even the n-word, it's just a word.

[oranges]

n word and other slurs are almost never used in game

[saprasam]

we still dont have an answer to if nigga is banned aswell or if it's just nigger

[XivilaiAnaxes]

Says the straight white guy.

This is like saying "you're not part of our weirdo club your opinion isn't important!" which immediately makes your opinion worthless to anyone that isn't already agreeing with you.

[Gigapuddi420]

we still dont have an answer to if nigga is banned aswell or if it's just nigger

I mean partially this is because OP just dropped this bomb onto policy discussion and yeeted out. We're long past the point of constructive conversation now.

[Armhulen]

I'm just going to call it for this dastardly thread. I can assure you that we were pretty much done here 2 pages ago but due to some nasty bumping we're still eeking out the same arguments 90 replies later. It's only a matter of time before we get a new guy who has proudly not read the thread and as such going to say one of these already sickeningly dissected points:

slippery slope
targeted harassment vs general harassment
ban all slurs instead (wait, this is just slippery slope with a different face?!)
general tg community image
hard r AND a?
the weight of the n word
rock facts and other real mind rocking revelations geologists don't want you to unearth

(headmins, you can post through locked threads if you have a conclusion you'd like to announce, or unlock this if you think there is more to discuss)