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Also, there are additional factors to consider such as Security clearly being subservient to the Captain even in terms which strictly relate to Security, i.e how Security is supposed to get the Captain's explicit permission to execute.

Yes, the captain can overrule security and other ...

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Long war 1! Now this is in for the long haul.

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I really don't know why captain players have such an obsession with needing to kill/hunt antags.

Ridiculous comparisons aside, maybe we just shouldnt make them the most heavily armed and armored crew member on the station, the target of virtually every antag, constantly under threat from any ...

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Like, you have a flash and flashbang - if the human in question is an existential threat, just kill them while the borg is incapacitated from one of those options.

Yeah, if you aren't playing a nonhuman you can just... kill the baddie while its stunned then apologise profusely and promise the ...

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Voting for a new map being enabled at server reload/initialisation always feels silly - there should be a code option to time-lock types of votes or something, so you cant vote on the next round's map until everyone settles into the current one a bit.
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Like this, this is annoying. You're not "forced" to get involved at all. Silicon players are allowed to have a sense of perspective and restraint. There is nothing in asimov or silicon policy that states you cannot talk it out with the security officer, overlook it as an accident, issue a ...

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While I had an amazing round as Artist triple-ai-triumvirate a while back, I do agree that Artist needed to be a non-start lawset or get that extra law.

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"Dont kill a cyborg for following its laws" is not the same as "Don't kill a cyborg unless its rogue". If you *gotta* kill a cyborg, you gotta. I'm sure we've all been there as seccies where we've mislaid our flashes and our flashbangs and forgot how to tip and the ion rifle is missing and we ...

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Ask the HOS for his box of flashbangs if your target is hanging around in a mob and the rest of sec dont wanna help you make the arrest.

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heretics arent fun to play against and sit in the awkward spot of "Just weak enough to get completely ignored if theres any major antag active but just strong enough that theyre hunted with relentless desperate fervour if there isn't." but saying that they're "handholdy" when only the most ...

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this thread will be the next home of Necroshoots

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snop

while I am not opposed to this, this iteration of space law is meant to be an IC shield, and I am concerned that adding this line will lead to lawyers understandably ahelping instances of not being allowed to talk to a prisoner and result in a lengthy justification from both parties ...

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I think that prisoners should absolutely be entitled to legal representation, though not automatically a trial. Sometimes its nice to have a lawyer on-side even if its just to commiserate and complain about how totally unfair sec are.

I would change the lines

Prisoners are permitted to seek ...

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Bwoink anxiety is very real. Let’s not add to it further by hovering a ban over people who might just not feel comfortable adding their 2 cents. It’s hard to remember stuff.

"Bwoink anxiety" is one of the most confusing things to me. I don't understand why people freak out over it. Most of ...

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I saw this one, it's a great picture.

SS13 outfits rendered in full style is always cool, the engineering uniform is brilliant.

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Definitely a rule to be carefully worded to avoid incredibly stupid bans down the lane.

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regal rats are a big stinky rat that breaks things, raises an army of rat minions, and causes as much nuisance as it thinks it can get away with without the sec team rolling up and obliterating it.

Maybe it eats lone stragglers in maint with the rat horde, maybe it invades the kitchen and demands ...

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replace the "gun nut" one with "Legally American". Forces your undershirt to the US flag one.

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Permanently shut down ALL servers FOREVER

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Happy new year!

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Discord username: Spacedwarf
Banning admin: MrStonedOne
Ban reason: Declined to argue with MrStonedOne
Time ban was placed: Unsure
Your side of the story: I was under the impression that two people talking to each other about how they should stop arguing with someone who flatly denies the entire ...

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the bigger the bombs you're selling the more likely you are to get owned.

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I don't wanna slippery slope doom about this too much, but if this leads to crewsimov I am so fucking done. Non-humans not being head of staff is just one of their quirks and a bit of flavor, a bit of spice to the setting. NT is not a good company and them not trusting or liking non-humans ...

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Looks pretty cool.If you want him to be better at finding lings to serve you could try something like giving him a chance of being alerted when a changeling power is used in some way.

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it doesn't necessarily need a checklist, it just needs someone to use evidence from the current round to justify why they've taken an action. "i executed them because i saw them easily breaking into secure areas and i knew that we wouldn't be able to build containment so the only available option ...

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Also sometimes people just cant believe that a nonantag would be doing something like bombing the shuttle with explosive lemons.

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The "consistent portrayal of NT" IMO was always "Stupid evil corporation" that murder their employees with deathsqauddies called Sergeant SUPERKILL for mild disrespect to such a degree that "The syndicate are the good guys" was not even a particularly controversial lore opinion. The station has ...

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If we bring back ban requests it is ABSOLUTELY vital that they are not publically visible until resolved imo. They are the king of drama factories.

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I was just talking about the thread as a whole honestly, but I can see where the confusion comes from, that's on me.

ok well no offence but if you were posting "it seems like people in this thread hold multiple opinions and some of them disagree with each other" that is like... barely more ...

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the simple truth of the matter is that space ruins are not designed to be farmed every single round and all of that loot taken back to the station. it floods it with contraband and subversive items that change the dynamic (heh) of the round quite drastically in a lot of cases.

it's fun to explore ...

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It's bad for the vibe and flavor but also I have more CMO hours as moth than most people do as CMO. Some of the most memorable rounds from that would not be possible if it was just a roundstart. I have stories including from just today about being denied access, or real CMOs showing up and ...

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sounds like your f1 key is broken

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This has been bugging me for a while but why do firelocks turn the lights off the moment they trigger? It makes them significantly more annoying than the actual fire alarm sounds, and makes every emergency situation more confusing and dangerous (and every non emergency situation where the lights are ...

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Looks like another reason that common core is stupid and completely ignored by everyone other than food coders, it has shit like this hidden in it for the "Ha ha admins dont bother changing off their static when running event" gag.

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"I was just watching the cams" <-- "I was just providing overwatch for the team, ready to invisibly summon the entire sec force on any suspect activity without them having any idea"

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I know the major complaint is gonna be "but what about muh asimov" but we already let non-humans be security which conflicts with the AI WAY MORE than the average head of staff in most rounds, and the game still works just fine.

Gonna level with you, the reason it 'works' is because every ...

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ill be honest I don't even like that we had to set the config to allow nonhuman sec for pop reasons. Im not particularly interested in turning human heads off when heads of staff are a) pretty common unlike the absolute drought of security that forced the servers hands and b) way less important to ...

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if you cant go to space every round any more, does this mean we can rename the curator "librarian" again and take away his museum gallery

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3. Nonviolent prisoners cannot be assumed harmful. Violent prisoners cannot be subsequently assumed non-harmful. Knowingly or in ignorance of clear evidence releasing a harmful prisoner is a harmful act. Silicons can use the crime listed in a prisoner's security record as basis to determine if a ...

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Fixing fire alarm issues sucks.

Not so much because they're difficult to remedy (patching the holes and setting a heater on usually fixes minor issues... usually)
The problem is that is impossible to tell what's going on when things arent so simple. Is the fire alarm still on for a legitimate ...

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I don't like "Reasonable cause" here, it feels like we're just kicking the can down the road until the next note/ban on this clause because people have WILDLY different beliefs on what a "reasonable cause to believe" harm is on the subject of prisoners and arrests, ranging from "Nothing short of ...

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I dont get this complaint TBH. The mech bay is likely to have mechs added to it as the round goes on, thats whyits there. Building mechs is like, 50% of the roboticists job. Maybe more, since people dont seem to go get cyborged very much so they usually dont build shells until its far enough into ...

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Due to the furious debate sparked by a recent note, its come to everyone's attention that an awkward line has been grandfathered into the updated Silicon Policy.

In the Asimov-Specific Policies section, under Asimov and Security, point 3 specifies the following

3. Nonviolent prisoners cannot be ...

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Let's throw in borging into this too, because that'd make it ACTUALLY a convenient method for soft player removal.

straying vaguely off-topic but i do actually think cyborgs should not remember the round at all. I like that idea. Immediately cuts the knot of needing to OOCLy bar forcibly ...

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I've had the same gripe with this for like forever: its insanely difficult to moderate and have people hold each other accountable about. Its the same as aliens and heretics.

TG is just super super busy and not everyone is going to be on the same wavelength of roleplay expectations out of each ...

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I dont remember what the old one looked like can we get a comparison in chat

This is not what the ban appeal template looks like, this is what a ban appeal made by a mime looks like

THIS is what the ban appeal template actually looks like (after being copypasted from the little codebox it ...

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I dont remember what the old one looked like can we get a comparison in chat

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Theres just TOO many doors between the brig and the main halls, and given its such an exposed spot it becomes deeply frustrating the moment the fire alarms go off. (Every round)

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I do not like this change. Feigning lack of knowledge has always been one of those infinite fuzzy areas of enforcement that we should keep to the absolute hard line of “you dont remember anything while you’re dead” for anything short of space magic or hastily-patched-murderbone-antag-trying-not-to ...

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The issue with calling a revolution as a prank is sec responding with absolute, round-destroying force. At the time the ruling was made, the balance of things was such that sec would immediately start a brutal oppression, forcibly implanting people and declaring martial law instantly even without ...

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