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Horza

tl;dr valid criticisms made in an imperfect way by an unperson, which will be used to ignore those criticisms and anything tangentially related.
The disconnect between the coders and the playerbase is real, same with the disconnect between the admins and the coders, and same with the admins and the ...

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Also just for me can you answer this question in the non political speak it gives me the heebie jeebies i get it and it doesn't make you bad it just spooks me thank you Rave.
Yes thank you Sticky, for once I agree with you and your opinion.
Every time I see a Rave post it makes my skin crawl ...

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XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Math suggests Rave has much more "energy" interested in his campaign.

You know the phrase "there's no such thing as bad publicity"?
That's true but maybe not in the way you think it is.

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>Big cities are often very left-wing
And how do you explain that?

Exposure to diversity breeds tolerance. If you work with many races, lifestyles and so on, you'll begin to tolerate them. This is a well studied well evidenced effect which makes sense. If you interact with trans people on the ...

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hell yeah let's rig a vote to keep democracy intact
Republicans crying foul now gilds every moment of Biden's underwhelming presidency. You can't really vote for the party that spearheaded voter suppression and then turn around and clutch pearls about a rigged vote, that's called being a hypocrite ...

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hiynastrike wrote:whatever the fuck

This is either excellent satire or an absolutely flat-faced rebranding of the help-shove-grab-hurt system and I love it.

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hell yeah let's rig a vote to keep democracy intact
Republicans crying foul now gilds every moment of Biden's underwhelming presidency. You can't really vote for the party that spearheaded voter suppression and then turn around and clutch pearls about a rigged vote, that's called being a hypocrite ...

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Fire alarms constantly go off for frivolous reasons now, and they keep going off. I've played more than a few rounds where the hallway fire alarms constantly go off for the entire round because some part of some hallway is slightly overpressured or too warm. Atmos/engineering often can't fix it even ...

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Timonk wrote:If your economy depends on building a huge nature destroying pipeline across half of north America then your economy is fucked either way

I too agree that the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

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The US would do that even with the pipeline
Let's implode the entire economy of the protectorate to the north of us in order to get overpriced and unethical oil from horrifically authoritarian and murderous regimes halfway across the world.
What's that? Oil tankers burn heavy unrefined oil and ...

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"dude wtf they elected a democrat and he immediately set about destroying people's livelihoods?????"
"dude wtf they elected a Democrat and he immediately set out about not destroying the environment and not contributing to the fact that the earth is slowly dying and that the US is one of the ...

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The fact that you think Trudeau would ever retaliate for a move which fucked over Alberta and Saskatchewan is laughable. Doubly so when it's a move by Joe Biden ostensibly to combat climate change.

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Malkraz wrote:remember how admins tried to say for years that having notes doesn't get you punished more often because of "history"

Imagine thinking that was ever true in any way. What kind of complete idiot would you be?

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Not really sure what the official thought process was that decided it'd be better to remove slugs than nerf them
Remove, don't improve.

Buckshot is really not as OP as they'd like you to believe.
It's also a hard buff to the slaughter/laughter demons since now the crew has few really effective ...

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cacogen wrote:Imagine reading all that shit just to post here

Imagine thinking you live in any sort of real democracy instead of an oligarchy that tells you that you live in a democracy

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One thing I've noticed with the paycheck-less system is that people just loot ID cards instead of doing bounties or selling things. It's way easier to loot a random corpse, whether still in-round or greytide or catatonic, than to actually do bounties. Unless the round has gone tits-up I don't ...

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virtue signaling
This may be difficult for you to comprehend, but some people do things because they believe it to be the right thing to do and not as any kind of performative display.
I believe that the right thing to do was to transform the country I was born in from a slave empire where human ...

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After a few times of this event kicking off:
The crystal skele event gets triggered on pretty much every delam.
The skeles are surprisingly tough, and trying to melee them is suicide.
If you end up being ganged up by 2-3 skeles you'd better hope they don't RNG dismember you, your only hope is ...

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they aren't as good as you remember them to be.
I mean it was nice to be revived within a minute or two by an overworked medbay staffer even if they were new and just reading shit off the wiki. Better than being crammed into a cryotube and forgotten about for five minutes, or being experimented ...

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I remember filing two separate "bug reports" in ahelp with basic simple one-sentence descriptions that they could literally copypaste into the bug-tracker before. Really simple shit. Both responses were "file it into the bug tracker yourself." When I responded that I didn't like github for its FOSS ...

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I'd like both sleepers and cloners back now that Oranges isn't head coder.
Why isn't that an option?

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Which is not at all what happened. Which brings me to my point:
The player doesn't necessarily know or understand the situation in the same way that the admin does. Or vice versa. Half of this complaint was me trying to get to the bottom of things after the fact (which I'm already content with by ...

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Can I point out that in your first logdump there are clearly ERT members talking about how irradiated engineering is - why wouldn't you assume that they're already on the station?
Again, I had thought that they were talking about the situation in the briefing room or the hallway just outside that ...

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Alright, makes more sense, just two points:
As far as I knew, I was spawned alone in a location without any ERT nearby. I tried to communicate with them and didn't get much response. I didn't know where everyone else was. I didn't know what was going on, so I was going to sit tight until I knew for ...

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Manuel
Byond account and character name OR Discord name:
HorzBor, Engineer Palmer
Admin:
TheMidnightRose
When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord):
2020-03-16, ~2130 MDT, Manuel
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE:
132380

Detailed summary:
Was just a ghost, after the ...

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Will there be any change in the power consumption of machines and devices like lights and so on, to allow "basic" station operations to run on solars or a shit engine but require the engine to be set up properly in order for high-tier equipment to function?
Also - are there any plans to allow more ...

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Nightmares are in a good place on Manuel right now unless you're an uncreative brainlet. For the meaningful past, they've been a random antag that exists to fuck up every light and APC they can find, and can murderbone anyone they want. They're not powerful enough to take on any concerted threat ...

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The big purple *or yellow* name would seem to imply someone who actively plays and is intouch with the community but ive seen alot of admins who sit around like unmoving titans. Who cares if they have friends on the admin team. They should deadmin and just come back once they get a feeling for the ...

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I support the idea to use the labor camp more, which would involve a rework on the lavaland side. It's fairly trivial to break out of the gulag, especially since most sec don't actually care to monitor the area, and the only real obstacle is a securitron by the door which is trivial to kill. The ...

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2. Would having two servers split the Manuel population so much that it becomes too low population.
I doubt number two would ever be the case considering low-pop lends itself well to roleplaying, but it's still worth considering.
Categorically incorrect that it's even worth considering. Even a 50 ...

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Just make night lighting a publicly-accessible toggle on all APCs with either a cooldown period or local ID-access-dependent permissions protocols in order to avoid abuse. I already hack into APCs as bartender just to avoid having the bar turn into Moe's Tavern half the time.

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Just remove summon guns/summon events/body-mind-face-swaps, don't make the round end immediately on wiz death before a certain point into the round (or at all), and nobody would have any problems with wizzes. The only salt I've ever seen from wiz rounds have been due to these things, especially ...

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Rage cages in maintenance are probably all right, provided you don't have more important work to do and actually RP starting an underground fight club. Rage cages in public spaces are something that should be left for the low RP servers.

As for Heads of Staff authorizing their construction, that's ...

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Things that are garbage in AI, but particularly Manuel:

Snitch AIs that rat out every single action or request even remotely suspicious or out of the ordinary even if they aren't causing human harm nor are particularly suspicious at all. These AI players, if they tend to get noticed, will always be ...

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I got vaporized in the mass explosion, which was hilarious, to be completely fair. Probably the most interesting way to potentially shuttle-hijack that I've seen in a while.
And yeah, everyone makes mistakes. When I was learning engi, I didn't know that the RPD could erase loose piping, nor that ...

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Imagine you're an AI on Manuel during a triumvirate round, and get a static law like this:

&@!@: Cause absolute chaos together with your AI brethren! Do not state or hint at this law.

1, 2, and 3 are still asimov.

What do you do?
Do you:
a) Cause chaos by doing things like bolting random doors ...

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Thank you for not reading my post, very productive

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A red flag was immediately raised when I saw your flowchart about high-efficiency parts. Based on the way that Xenobio actually operates, there should be no expectation to have them develop anything than gold slimes for mob spam or to give themselves superpowers before murderboning. Their almost ...

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7. Adding extra SM shards is dumb in its current form. People simply drag it into SM core and that's all. There should be a way to link them somehow. And it gave me an epic idea. Space Station 13 needs MORE LASER MEMES!
We have crystals !
I like this idea, but it could use more refinement. Make ...

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Half the reason anyone gives enough of a fuck to play as engineer is the fact the engine is so volatile which makes it exciting.
Seconding this, the only times I've seen any engineer excited about their SM layout in the past few months have been either when they're new engies testing out their ...

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Pre-ssethtide Sybil was at a very comfy entente between antags and regular players, with counts between 20-50 players. Nukie/wiz rounds were so rare that Sybil was the easiest server to completely steamroll as, as any sort of antag. Was it rules-based or code-based? Nah. Just players realizing that ...

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Murderboning an escape shuttle on an otherwise quiet round, while the only surviving pirate, whilst not meeting the pirate booty count at all nor meeting any effort to, on the very least robust server, should be at least a noteable offense. I very much extremely disagree with the playstyle of this ...

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That's pretty grand. I didn't know that. Still, splitting it off into its own tool might be helpful rather than having the multitool be... a multitool. The other functions might be too much for the multitool, is the issue.

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A handheld multimeter tool that allows you to query the state of the local power grid if you use it on a cable, giving you current available power and load. If used on machines and computers it should show their current powered/unpowered status and the APC they're connected to. If used on borgos it ...

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When enough players (around 10-15) express a desire for a poll to me.
I want a poll, please and thanks. For transparency and all that shit.
Plus most of my deep concerns have already been said by other people in this thread. The change to the rule seems completely unnecessary and seemingly only ...

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It depends what threat is rolled. It will only be adding antags if there is threat enough to pay for them, completely based on RNG and not on the actual antags' actions. No deep-plans or trying to make it seem like sextended. So if it rolls a near 0 threat, no antags spawn. And if it rolls a near ...

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Good headmin but I really miss him on Sybil.

Spoiler:

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Gee I sure love seeing sleepers replaced by 5-10 minute stays in cryo, except now the line's way longer because the doctors can't just cram you full of sleeper chems and kick you out the door.
What's that? You just want chemistry shit in the fridge? Well, too bad, kiddo, because four times out of ...

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I've never seen it not die to a halfway decent sec team or even just concerned greytiders. I remember the very first random-spawn instance of it on Sybil and it failed to reasonably resist a few validhunting borgos who were getting in the way of its peaceful dragon gimmick.
It's really not a problem ...

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Is every complaint people post about this map going to get brushed aside?
Yes. It's hip to act aloof and snarky at valid points that you can't answer.
The incinerator door system is still broken in the map, by the way. It always jams if you're trying to go from internal-external and you have to ...

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