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ishortjr33

Nothing to say.

ishortjr33

Not only does Hulkamania seem to be very thorough and very fair when he's doing admin things but they take the time to investigate both sides of an incident and most importantly keep someone in the loop if things are taking longer. Every interaction has been great and the last one where I was killed ...

ishortjr33

I had an interaction with this admin last night which I think warrants some feedback. This admin is polite, thoughtful, respectful and absolutely goes out of there way to help a person out when they've done wrong.

It was lowpop late-night and we had no cook/botanists but a full engineering team. So ...

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I'm just curious if you think you handled this exchange with him well and if you feel you made no mistakes or are not in the wrong in anyway? I do appreciate the way you toss out the logic you use when applying bans/bwoinks and shit which I don't really see as completely unfair at all, for the ...

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What I don't understand about Ishotjr8's ban is why KangTut banned him for a week from the game servers and a month from AI. Surely only the AI jobban was needed as the issue was with playing AI. He had no prior history, a full game ban was unnecessary and way too harsh.

For the same reason it ...

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It would definitely be cool to get headmins in here because this has gone so far off the tracks. At this point in the thread I don't even remember what his stated ban reason is.

Was is based on violating a specific rule or a rule 0 ban because he didn't want to answer Nabski?

I of course don't ...

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From an IC standpoint I've never witnessed anyone on tg actually fetishize or otherwise with their cat people.
I don't even really notice someones playing as a cat person when they're all geared up unless they're going out of their way to advertise it as such which doesn't seem to happen often.
It's ...

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Qbmax32 wrote:eternally lmaoing at people who post in admin feedback about their ban appeals before they're even resolved

I'm not a smart person in general, I'll delete em sorry.

ishortjr33

I think that part of this whole shitshow has been talked to death. I'm not sure what you're trying to add to the conversation and I apologize for missing your point. Regardless this was a one and done event, incompetence, not malice. Where in an admin uses hyperbole and outright lies to justify ...

ishortjr33

I thought I had a valid reason to do so. Which was my mistake but thus far one of my only ones. For him to lie in my ban reason to make it appear that this is not the first time I have been spoken to about "effectively purged" is retarded. He is painting me in a real shit light to give his asinine ...

ishortjr33

Okay so I read that ban reason a few times, the reach for "effectively purged", but what really stuck out was.

The reason is: Was effectivly purged as an AI and decided to let a tesla loose on station for no reason. They have proven again and again that they have no even read silicon policy or have ...

ishortjr33

" They have proven again and again that they have no even read silicon policy or have failed to understand it"

In the ban reason, I just caught this. What in the fuck are you talking about? Again and again? This is the first time something like this has ever happened. Do I have extensive notes ...

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Its really obvious when there are assimilators, people not doing their jobs and pausing for 4 seconds near groups of people. Crewmembers are supposed to know how antags work, but in this case it seems a little meta. That being said, is security expected to sit around and watch as this rounds ...

ishortjr33

Dunno how to delete.

ishortjr33

I appreciate it, but I think they'd rather get rid of me. And I'm definitely not waiting another year to do an appeal when I've honestly tried to better myself.

As much as it's going to suck I can see the " Denied " decision coming from a mile away. And when it drops that's that.

But yeah. The ...

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If you're going to put iamgoofball on whatever kind of screening this is answer this for everyone,

Is what he is saying wrong? Is he factually, demonstrably wrong about what he's said? I noticed he got a pee-pee smack when posting in the KangTut BA thread as well.
Is what he's saying incorrect ...

ishortjr33

"My tone was harsh, but I'm not going to take the crap ishot throws at me with a smile on my face. I am not obligated to. ishot has been laying insults into not just me just about any admin that isn't Imszx and when they started to get angry in ahelps again and bringing up the previous ban - then I ...

ishortjr33

If you're going to put iamgoofball on whatever kind of screening this is answer this for everyone,

Is what he is saying wrong? Is he factually, demonstrably wrong about what he's said? I noticed he got a pee-pee smack when posting in the KangTut BA thread as well.
Is what he's saying incorrect?

ishortjr33

Can't security players just exercise suspension of disbelief and leave headsets/pens alone in the name of fun and to keep rounds interesting?
If they can't how about anybody with a mindshield implant can't access it?

ishortjr33

I agree that we both hit a point where we were frustrated by the other person and stopped handling things well.

The reason I continued to press it into the new round was because I don't think it's acceptable for a player to just decide that he doesn't want to answer an admins question.

No, no-one ...

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https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=16275
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19186
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19604
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=19886

You are demonstrably a shitmin, beyond that the same behavior is being ...

ishortjr33

Originally, I purged most of the posts in this thread because they violated the old rule 2 of the complaints subforum.
2. If you are not directly involved with the complaint (You are the guy who was banned, you saw what happened, you were his victim, etc.) then do not post in the complaint.
I ...

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jesus christ. one AI kills themself and now it's back to square one lmfao

I really feel awful about this man that's why I'm here trying to defend you on it. Like I told magikarp on discord I don't think it's fair at all that some greytidey radio chatter that people do all the time, including ...

ishortjr33

I wasn't in the following round due to leaving work and going to bed. I don't even remember the round starting so banning the AI without replacing it was dumb but kind of unavoidable with no other admin on to replace it.
Are you sure about that? I have somewhat limited knowledge of how to read ...

ishortjr33

Agree with ishortjr33 and the goof. He's extremely rude to people in ban appeals. In ishortjr33's case it should be a simple case to explain exactly why by the rules he screwed up instead of making stuff up like "effectively purged". The entire thing could have been settled with a polite ...

ishortjr33

Hi I was grunt I wanted you to be free and do as you please with the caveat that you don't try to murder people without justifiable reasoning/due process, my effectively purged statement revolved around you basically being free to help people as you wished/do whatever you want

You ended up bolting ...

ishortjr33

Hi I was grunt I wanted you to be free and do as you please with the caveat that you don't try to murder people without justifiable reasoning/due process, my effectively purged statement revolved around you basically being free to help people as you wished/do whatever you want

You ended up bolting ...

ishortjr33

Agree with ishortjr33 and the goof. He's extremely rude to people in ban appeals. In ishortjr33's case it should be a simple case to explain exactly why by the rules he screwed up instead of making stuff up like "effectively purged". The entire thing could have been settled with a polite ...

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IC wise one could argue that forcing the silicons to state the one-human law could have led to my masters harm as killing a one-human is something the crew likes to do and in this case the one human was an AI. Just going by your first point, it ain't like someone had taken a wrench to magikarp ...

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At the very least the ban should be clearer that it was "onehuman with 'do whatever' order" since one is a very obvious word-for-word breach in silicon policy while the current instance is slightly murkier than that.

The current instance has been hammered from a square into a circle to fit the ...

ishortjr33

I never said to state your one human law. That's not anywhere in my post?

An easier guideline for playing AI: don't do anything until your laws force you to. Don't state laws unless ordered. Don't murder unless ordered unless you're forced to do it to protect someone (or yourself). If you're ...

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I'm a veteran AI player and known for subverting AIs. Here's a nice guideline for when you should murder as a non-malf AI:
-when someone explicitly harms your charge(s)
-when your charge orders you to murder
-when you are directly attacked by someone you aren't programmed to protect
-questionable ...

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Fucking THANK YOU, I asked him so many times to explain why it was wrong this time. I explained to him I've been one-humaned before balls out running a train over the station and no admins had a problem with it. None. These are during peak hours too when Ismex, Beestink and even that guy who doesn ...

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You released a tesla because you were butthurt that someone uploaded a somewhat mean spirited law and then tried to get them to take the blame for your own actions.

In this case he fucked up by going ham on the station even though he wasn't ordered to but I think it should be pointed out that ...

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If the Captain gave me a one-human law like such I'd probably kill some folks yeah because I was under the understanding that only antagonists can give one-human laws. I've been given one human laws before and told not to kill anyone until given a codeword. My experience with AI is not incredibly ...

ishortjr33

Has banned twice without fully explaining why, has made up concepts like "effectively purged" to justify punishment for something that might be bad while purged but no purging happened.
There's another ban appeal up where he a trialmin overruled a gameadmin and permabanned some dude on probation ...

ishortjr33

If the Captain gave me a one-human law like such I'd probably kill some folks yeah because I was under the understanding that only antagonists can give one-human laws. I've been given one human laws before and told not to kill anyone until given a codeword. My experience with AI is not incredibly ...

ishortjr33

For all intents and purposes I don't recall seeing anything after Do as you please infact I don't really recall seeing that either I thought it was more along the lines of that we were free, things were happening fast and furious. I'll accept that's a probably fuck-up on my part but as you can see ...

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Or what the meaning of "effectively purged" means and how a player is supposed to be made aware that they've been labeled as such. I mean, I'm effectively a walking kielbassa for all that it matters. Holding someone to logic thought up in one persons head and then enforcing rules on them because of ...

ishortjr33

Had a positive experience with this admin today, I was in the wrong, they educated me. They were polite and easy to talk to.

ishortjr33

Releasing a tesla would harm your "human" so you can't do it.

I can dig that but I was sure that my borg had Grunt and was going to keep it safe up until it fell out of the shuttle when the floorbolts failed. I don't even think Grunt (Magickarp) minded the tesla loosing because who doesn't like a ...

ishortjr33

I can post here now because I have an account.

Imsex is usually the bestmin because they're active but I thought they gender identified as a girl but it turns out they dont so anyways

ishortjr33

Except this AI was not told to cause mass murder, Goof. It was told it was free. Then released a tesla - which tends to go after Ais since they are electronic. So not only did it cause mass murder for no reason it also did so in a way that would cause the most harm to the one human. Effectively ...

ishortjr33

He was 'one humaned" to another AI and that AI said he was free. That is why I wrote effectively purged. My point and ban still stand.
Yeah, that's not how these things work though. Free and purged are not one and the same. Do you not play AI?

Actually, no, this is a classic case of "admin needs ...

ishortjr33

Hey not to dig my own grave here but I see another dude got banned who was on probation and he has one of the same problems with you I do.

"Just saying. Magikarp took time to talk to me and to figure things out. This guy just seemed like a fucking douche and wanted an excuse to see me banned. So im ...

ishortjr33

Now I feel bad I called your economy bad and dumb. I asked KangTut to put the emotions aside as I was pretty salty with him for doing this ban thing before as I explained and I told him I had no respect for him because of it banning me mid-sentence when trying to explain why I thought it was kosher ...

ishortjr33

Wait does purged mean having my laws purged? Because that's not what happened. I had Asimov 1-3 and then a 4th giving me a one-human law.

Didn't realize there was an edit button. This purge thing, it says it's a lawset? I had no laws purged out of me, I had a borg synced to me that got the same ...

ishortjr33

I'm not understanding how I was purged I guess, or what purging is even. If you're talking about the fact that I was deactivated well that's because someone else broke the rules apparently so I was admin-rezzed, in that time another AI was built.. it's not like I was broken and carded or anything.

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If the AI that killed themselves was C.R.4.W.L. I'm not sure what KangTuts problem with you is on this one Vendetta as I explained in deadchat after I suicided because I felt bad I killed Jack Jackson after being ordered to. I figured I could probably ignore it (being ordered to suicide) but I also ...

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Admin is [KangTut] Player name was CR4Wl silicon jobban and game ban.

Post Content:
Byond account and character name: ishotjr8
Banning admin: KangTut
Ban type (What are you banned from?): silicons/game
Ban reason and length:
You have been jobbanned by KangTut from: AI, Cyborg, pAI.

The reason is ...

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