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So Twitter is trying to charge for API access. Needless to say this is extremely braindead and bad. @Poly_the_Parrot will likely be affected. Depending on the cost I might start asking if anyone could throw some money to me to feed Elon Musk but if they're asking for a big chunk of cash that'll ...

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Boxstation was designed to be frail, to be exposed to sabotage and problematic chokepoints that could remove a lot of access if they were blown up or walled off.

That's on purpose, that's the design theory. Many older maps were made this way because in the early days malevolent design played a ...

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I like them better without faces.

Also yes I like the aesthetic, but until the netcode problem is solved I'm not going to give it any hope at all.

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I'm so hyped that it finally happened!

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As of today @poly_the_parrot has reached 10,000 tweets. As a little token here's a word cloud of Poly's most frequently repeated words.

https://twitter.com/Poly_the_Parrot/sta ... 8498336770

The bird will live forever.

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Absolutely not, TGui is a slow loading mess that only a half dozen or so people know how to compile and a long gone original dev. We should be obsoleting it, not embracing it.

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As far as I know the "least incorrect" narrative of the SS13 code being "stolen" was that someone Exadv1 trusted leaked the source code without his blessing and he was understandably a little salty about it. However later when he saw what became of the game because of the leak he was retroactively ...

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As far as I know the "least incorrect" narrative of the SS13 code being "stolen" was that someone Exadv1 trusted leaked the source code without his blessing and he was understandably a little salty about it. However later when he saw what became of the game because of the leak he was retroactively ...

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There is a system I highly discourage using for making sprites look different on specific races (look at boxing shorts) but nothing that locks clothing to a race.

I really discourage that kind of mechanic though.

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Some people say it is, others say it's not. Some are espousing harmony, others are claiming conquest. I'm just defending against the worst case here, which is "radicial change in which the soul of SS13 is lost to an unproven idea".

Whoever said this topic was way too early was right. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I feel like a group of coders/admins/players have collectively burnt out to various degrees and rather than face the reality that it might be time to take a break have decided that it's the game that is the problem instead.

SS13 is a good game. There is nothing critically wrong with its base ...

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Do you plan on forcing them to do it?
No I'm just saying my gut feeling is that there's a market for it if it comes to that, which I hope it doesn't. I hope "cool modular side version of SS13" stays "cool modular side version of SS13" and doesn't drift towards "SS13 as a game engine" like has ...

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If SS13 was abandoned I'd wager anything that someone would fork off the last space based version of TGstation and attempt to claim the niche TG would be abandoning as "the base version of SS13".
> Implying all that online will go from a new, shiny Planetstation with all those coders and spriters ...

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The moment planetstation (PS) mechanics becomes completely incompatible with space station 13 mechanics is the moment it needs to "move out of the house" and be its own codebase. With careful planning you could probably put off that reckoning forever and keep PS "in house". This feels ideal but at ...

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If you want to supplant the base game completely fork the code and do it somewhere else. This is space station 13.

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If development on the tool has died I'd be interested in whats there already if Remie is ok with releasing it. Even if female sprites is a bit much to ask fatsprites with this would not be hard seems like

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I read this thread and feel bad because I live in a tiny town where my options range from retail work to fast food. And not even big retail. Literally petrol station or tescos.
A software developer can work remotely, earn good salary and live cheaply outside of the city.

"Entry level" "Remote ...

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If anyone is going to kill this it won't be us

Spoiler:

That said yeah, not allowed. Don't be a dick.
Or be a dick, but don't expect much help.

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Why not let on more maintainers instead of handling 99% of the PRs by yourself, oranges?
This implies I have a choice in how many pr's I handle.

To me it seems like I wait for someone else to merge it and then the pr is open for many days, no action, I wait and I wait and then at some point I ...

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Why not let on more maintainers instead of handling 99% of the PRs by yourself, oranges?
This implies I have a choice in how many pr's I handle.

To me it seems like I wait for someone else to merge it and then the pr is open for many days, no action, I wait and I wait and then at some point I ...

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Vanilla SS13 is our history and our legacy, it'd be madness to stray away from that completely.

That said doing more "out there" stuff on the side isn't a sin either and I'm interested. Just don't throw out the baby with the bathwater here

Also waving the general "people might be taking this ...

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oranges wrote:what do you think this thread is for

Well yeah that's why I brought it up. I agree with the general sentiment you're feeling here.

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Well I mean there's more to maintaining something than just merging everything. In some ways more merging promotes more development, people see a short turn around time and lower standards and they get excited. If it's getting too frantic to handle adding more heavy merging people is really just a ...

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My new opinion is that this is a good thing that coders should strive to maintain personally, but trying to implement it as policy seems really hard and/or just doomed to piss people off for very little gain.

More maintainers might help, but that' should be tied to maintainers splitting Pull ...

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Actually wait a minute none of this is enforceable at all.

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I maintain that oranges isn't actually that project critical, he's just the least tolerant of open pull requests. If he let more things lay open other maintainers would pick up the slack provided the protracted oranges experience hasn't atrophied their merge button abilities too badly. A feature ...

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There was always the teleporter connected to the derelict, but it was removed when space ruins got a revamp, probably because it was too far away and coder didn't notice it/forgot about it. It was pretty much the only way for derelict drones to get to the station to, uh, acquire materials and ...

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Damn son I guess your limit wasn't much further than mine after all.

100% for this, maybe more. Update 3/10: Mellowed out on this intensely, not sure anymore that it'd [work / be a good thing]

Though it needs an exception for feature pulls that are already feature complete, lest a controversial ...

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Currently there are 21 game modes in tgstation code, the current configuration only makes use of nine(!!) of them.

traitorchan 20.3%
double_agents 11.9%
traitor 15.3%
clockwork_cult 6.8%
cult 6.8%
extended 1.7%
nuclear 16.9%
revolution 10.2%
wizard 10.2%

Conversion modes currently hold about a ...

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I already told you we're not doing an april fools branch this year.

2016 ruined that privlege, it's over, done.

only things you can fit into the event framework will make it

If you weren't the only one insisting on that maybe I'd take it more seriously.

In any case there are other ways of ...

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Last year's April fools was just legitimately not fun to play during, just like it was the year before that. Please for the love of God can we take it easy this year and do things more subtlely and not just slam dunk the game in a trash can for a full day for something you giggle at for five ...

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Bluespace wrote:make me admin

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... g.txt#L292

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I know it seems early, but April Fools Day is creeping up and coding features, even meme ones, takes time.

Last year we went pretty hard on the April Fools Day content and it ended up being too disruptive due to one or two overwhelming joke mechanics . People got mad, I didn't blame them. That said ...

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I'm a little worried about disguises, this would end up making genetics/being a changeling a requirement to impersonate someone of the opposite gender.

There's already a mild difference between the genders in terms of uniforms, it's just more pronounced here.

The answer to date is wear an ...

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>it starts off as a debate but always works out in the end

what's the issue incoming?
Incoming is afraid of change and the rate of change no longer makes him comfortable, however, the new rate of change is simply a sign of a healthy contributor base.

Hell the sprite churn is nothing more than ...

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From what I get it's an external tool. A spriter makes the male on mob sprite, runs the tool as a separate program to generate a female on mob, tweaks it if needed and adds it to the dmi, then submits the pr.

It does double the number of uniform sprites, and maybe some exosuits too. Besides dmi ...

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I run what is essentially a static page patreon (no posts or active reasons to sub) out of https://www.patreon.com/incoming. It's been low key looming in my signature for months now.

If it helps I am comically poor and trying to break into coding as a profession at this point.

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I have made many valid points in this thread and you are not going to bait me into making poor ones so you can ignore the rest.

Ultimately what's happening here isn't things "working out in the end" it's "people being obstinate despite sound evidence until the other side gives up". That's not ...

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The pattern so far has been that nearly all the initial attempts at 3/4 are tragic head on boxes followed by someone stepping up and making them passible only because people keep bitching about it.

How many times are we going to have to go through this pattern before people realize that there are ...

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A small insular group of people is pushing an unpopular change past the majority and pissing people off for very poor reasons. Things in the background seem to be escalating. Drama sucks and I don't want it. We're never going back to the bad old days. We need to be friends. This is so dumb.

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The boxes were already too long, I just put what was already there on the diagonal. That's a case of information that was there being applied incorrectly, the boxes are just too long in any interpretation.

And yes plain cardboard boxes don't have anything in that space, but most things do. I just ...

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Learning with Space Cube!

http://i.imgur.com/JyW9IYV.png

When I say in coderbus that there's a loss of information when converting to 3/4ths perspective this is what I'm talking about. In the conversion of an iso cube to a 3/4ths cube an entire side is lost. This is the worst case but nearly ...

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Learning with Space Cube!

http://i.imgur.com/JyW9IYV.png

When I say in coderbus that there's a loss of information when converting to 3/4ths perspective this is what I'm talking about. In the conversion of an iso cube to a 3/4ths cube an entire side is lost. This is the worst case but nearly ...

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Learning with Space Cube!

http://i.imgur.com/JyW9IYV.png

When I say in coderbus that there's a loss of information when converting to 3/4ths perspective this is what I'm talking about. In the conversion of an iso cube to a 3/4ths cube an entire side is lost. This is the worst case but nearly all ...

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Based on that sprite example specifically I'm kinda worried about the female sprites not having the gap between the legs, would make determining gender at a glance much easier. I don't know, maybe that's not a bad thing.

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all a spriter would have to do is scan over the processed sprites and manually touch up any that looked like ass

it actually seems possible now, well there are shoes, gloves, suits to consider

I know I had some difficulty imagining how things like hardsuits would be squashed but we'll see ...

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I mean the problem of "a standard" is it has to be achievable by most of the people it affects as well as enough new people down the road to replace them.

If we need that third tier of sprite to make this stuff work this will never hold up as time progresses and people like Ausops eventually move ...

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beerobot wrote:

What we have that works - What we're getting that doesn't - What can be done with effort and attention to detail

Most things aren't making it to that third tier so far.

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If it can't be done dynamically it shouldn't be done.

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has poor tastes in midis

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