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MrAlphonzo

Denied.

You've made multiple attempts to ban evade this year, one of them far too close to today for comfort.

MrAlphonzo

I'm so sorry you're still dissatisfied with the accuracy of the note.

To fix this, I will make it as accurate as possible, making it look even worse.

"15 minutes after a sentient Beepsky had arrested them and handed them over to another officer, which was five minutes after they were released from ...

MrAlphonzo

I'm not even going to bother arguing. I'll change it to you killed him 15 minutes after he had arrested you, because that just makes it look so much better.

MrAlphonzo

I wouldn't have done these things if I thought it would be elevated to administrative action

This is the problem, right here.

It doesn't inspire much faith for you to say that, in essence, you're only sorry that you were caught. You have little, to no regard, for the consequences of your ...

MrAlphonzo

It wouldn't have been elevated to administrative action if you listened to them in the first place.

MrAlphonzo

Alright, we're getting somewhere. You didn't take the warnings seriously because you thought what you were doing would be considered harmless.

Now, lets take "unresponsive to administrative action" and relate that to "Repeatedly harassing a player despite a long, long, LONG talk telling them to ...

MrAlphonzo

Alright, we're getting somewhere. You didn't take the warnings seriously because you thought what you were doing would be considered harmless.

Now, lets take "unresponsive to administrative action" and relate that to "Repeatedly harassing a player despite a long, long, LONG talk telling them to ...

MrAlphonzo

How about we start with not understanding what I meant by "unresponsive to administrative action" and relating that to "griefed during the ball despite multiple announcements warning against that behavior", as one example. We can work our way up from there.

MrAlphonzo

I'm a man of my word.

Lifted.

MrAlphonzo

WeenMachine4003 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:09 am I should've known better

Would've lifted this days ago if you'd said this from the start.
And I am lifting it.
Just don't do stupid shit with explosives again.

MrAlphonzo

and knowing if there were crewmembers on board wouldn't have changed my course of action,

I personally wouldn't throw grenades into a building, loaded end to end with explosives, if I was aware there were other crew members in there.

I take back what I said earlier. You haven't just learned ...

MrAlphonzo

Couple of things. First, as for not sending you a ticket:
I picked up the ticket making a complaint against you when the round where it happened was ending, as there were no staff online when it was initially submitted, so it sat there for awhile. Server reboots, and you weren't in the server. Round ...

MrAlphonzo

And how did you get into the syndicate outpost?

MrAlphonzo

Were you aware that other people were raiding the syndicate base before you started tossing explosives?

MrAlphonzo

You were permabanned from tgmc this summer, and while it was lifted, I saw the banning admin say the same thing the admins who permabanned you on other servers said. A pretty bad pattern of behavior. And this is coming from a TGMC lead, a lead of a server you listed as an example of good conduct.
At ...

MrAlphonzo

I'm not a BeeStation admin, so I'll take your word for it that the permaban in of itself is worth contesting. However, in that same ban reason, the banning admin stated that "you had enough second chances." This gives me some concern, since your YogStation permaban, which you just said yourself is ...

MrAlphonzo

You were permbanned from both BeeStation and YogStation a little over half a year ago, and neither of those bans have been lifted. That doesn't line up too well with this:

My behavior on other servers has been very good as I have received little to no bans or notes from any of the major servers I ...

MrAlphonzo

You've neglected to mention anything in your appeal about how your behavior did not mesh well with rule 11.
The reason I mention this, I was approached by Sybil regulars and they took more grievances with your behavior they saw as bigoted more so than your self-antagging behavior through dumb AI ...

MrAlphonzo

Remove being dead from the game.

Ghost information isnt ideal either.

We make the concession to provide observers with all this knowledge because no one wants to stare at a blank screen waiting for a revive. The obvious difference here is that you actually had to have died first to get the ...

MrAlphonzo

Using metaknowledge to act like you don't have metaknowledge is still using metaknowledge.
This is how people play when they find out someone is a traitor while they're dead and then get revived you jackass.

This "you're poisoning the round argument" is so god damn stupid. Do we get information ...

MrAlphonzo

So if I've got your story straight, half a year after the permaban, you came back and, in your own words, mass ban evaded over the course of a week because you were angry about that same ban.

The fact that you were still so angry about the perma, half a year after it took place, gives me little ...

MrAlphonzo

Well, I can already tell you that you're off to a bad start.

We've caught you ban evading as recently as late May of this year, which is about 6 months after the permaban was applied.

That is a lot longer than ban evading for a "week or so".

MrAlphonzo

I'll be handling this since the permaban you were evading was mine.

Have you played on any other servers since the ban was placed?

EDIT: I may end up referencing your first appeal so viewtopic.php?f=34&t=28171&p=584829 here it is to refresh your memory.

MrAlphonzo

Your appeal is nothing but word salad and you haven't actually made a case for this ban to be lifted, and you seem more focused on badgering another admin than appealing.

Denied.

MrAlphonzo

I always thought it was strange. But I've lost count of how many times I've been stopped mid-ticket by another admin who said "nah, they're an antag" (In fact, that happened with this very ticket), and after the 200th or so time that happened I just assumed my hands have always been tied in that ...

MrAlphonzo

You’re down to stop enforcing that way though, right? Cause you gotta admit it’s pretty unfair, especially in cases such as what happened to OP.

Yeah, if thats an option I'm totally down. It was never a good feeling giving out a ruling like that, but its what I was taught to do.

EDIT:
Its worth ...

MrAlphonzo

This is what I was taught 4 years ago by a senior admin during my trial, and nothing was brought to my attention since then that led me to change how I enforced the rules relative to that particular issue.

MrAlphonzo

Doubleposting is a sin but I should throw in some relevant logs and put my money where my mouth is as it relates to:

A refresher on the first point of contention
[2021-08-15 01:27:11.660] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: MortoSasye/(MortoSasye) "not admining since I'm a judge" (start area (8,174,1))
You didn ...

MrAlphonzo

Morto was adminned the entire shift.

[2021-08-15 01:27:32.972] OOC: MortoSasye/(MortoSasye) "now I'm gonna deadmin since I'm a judge "
lol
Nobody except you appears to be arguing that Morto was breaking admin conduct by investigating this matter.
Really? Nobody but me?

[2021-08-15 01:27:32 ...

MrAlphonzo

I'd hate to stir the pot again but I don't want to leave the thread in the state it is, being one that has dug a little too deep into some nuance that does not hold too much weight on whether or not the complaint should be upheld. So let me make this short, sweet, and concise.

This complaint has ...

MrAlphonzo

[2021-08-15 01:27:11.660] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: MortoSasye/(MortoSasye) "not admining since I'm a judge" (start area (8,174,1))
You didn't handle the issue in-game. When you went into adminbus, the person who was actually handling the issue from the start, mothblocks , explained it to you, and you ...

MrAlphonzo

As I stated earlier, we were all in agreement that if he had done it without the event host's approval, it was a bannable offense, and if he didn't, he could not be held accountable.

There are plenty of instances where a ban of indeterminate length is applied while the facts are straightened out ...

MrAlphonzo

going back into reading everything that helps into playing it like you did for the sake of trying to justify your actions.

Are you really taking "reviewing events related to a complaint to make sure my statements are accurate" and turning it into something malicious?
You purposefully leave out ...

MrAlphonzo

Had it been any other type of rule being broken and the team would be waiting for clarification in the morning, I would have no issue with it, but I did not think it a good idea to leave someone with such a checkered history specifically revolving around exploits to be on the loose when all signs ...

MrAlphonzo

Had it been any other type of rule being broken and the team would be waiting for clarification in the morning, I would have no issue with it, but I did not think it a good idea to leave someone with such a checkered history specifically revolving around exploits to be on the loose when all signs ...

MrAlphonzo

For the record, I read all of the admin discussion leading up to 1:16 AM EST while I was waiting for Cobby to finish writing an extensively long message in adminbus, and continued discussing it with multiple maintainers well into the night.

I was aware there was a possibility for the event host ...

MrAlphonzo

Is there anything you'd find helpful for moderating the library?
The ability to reclassify books into appropriate categories, literally anything that would reduce the burden to remove duplicate entries, and the ability to squash multiple volume entries into a single book

Throw in the library ...

MrAlphonzo

I was in the process of taking up curation of the library, both paintings and books, in Hugbug's stead after his departure but I've been on a leave of absence for the last few weeks.

Any semblance of precedent we have on handling anything in the library, be it painting or book, is that is simply up ...

MrAlphonzo

I'm going to weigh in on this since I believe it falls under a precedent that was established during my first trial, which I was involved in. Mind you, it was over a note.
It can be found here: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=12961&p=336423

Since IcePacks has moved discussion of ...

MrAlphonzo

This is why I call it an obsession. You dont consider it an option to keep playing the same amount if you cannot be adminned at the same time. You are prioritizing being an admin before being a player, and this is also what will inevitably happen if you admin while playing. Being adminned 100% of ...

MrAlphonzo

snip

So we have a problem with admins burning out, and an unhealthy obsession with being adminned all the time. I am pretty confident in saying there is a connection here. Nobody should feel forced to admin, and people who admin every round should remember to (only) play once in a while (or ...

MrAlphonzo

I'm not sure why this was brought up at a time when staff retention is terrible, we just lost an entire new litter of gameadmins to burnout already.

This won't help.

the issue is that it is ENTIRELY UNAVOIDABLE to act upon information you gained while adminning and dealing with tickets

Our ...

MrAlphonzo

The ban reason for your original account is as follows:

Banned from the server permanently - Killed a lot of people as a security officer, claiming "self defense", but only one of the people he attacked had even touched him - and it was a push. The rest were unprovoked murders.

The banning admin ...

MrAlphonzo

You FNR tried and failed to kidnap an assistant, got your ass beat, for very much acting like an antag. The medical staff revived you, fucked with you, and promptly kicked you out of medbay for acting irresponsibly, making it very clear that you weren't welcome in the department anymore. You ...

MrAlphonzo

Its time.

MrAlphonzo

snop
My main point isn't that they were acting out of bad faith, it's more that they have the potential to not be focused on their responsibilities as an administrator.
Then we disagree on nothing.

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I hate repeating myself.
You're mistaking my defense and interpreting it as saying ...

MrAlphonzo

Staff have lives outside of the game, and other assorted responsibilities.
This defense feels flawed as Thunder was directly playing the game actively for multiple rounds up to and during the ban appeal, which directly correlates to multiple hours playing the game, and never responded during this ...

MrAlphonzo

I don't think we should be expecting players to have to leap hurdles just to get a reply from the admin who banned them

Pinging someone in discord is not "leaping through hurdles."

Admins should have the decency to reply to their own appeal, especially when they are consciously aware of it ...

MrAlphonzo

pugie wrote:Which is bullshit notes are a punishment.

If notes are a punishment, then that would mean the very act of an admin remembering a player broke a rule is a punishment.

What I'm trying to say is that you're a fucking idiot

MrAlphonzo

I can see this is going nowhere and would love to get someone else involved.

Hi, I'm someone else.

This was the first time I had stolen AA in MONTHS. This also had nothing to do with the captain being "command" but rather that I was being a gamer that round. Before the round started I said in ...

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