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"Created multiple intelligent mobs with the instruction "JUMP IN THE CHANGE POOL, suicide if shit roll, GO TO XENOBIO IF YOU GET MAGICARP/CHAOSCARP" as magicarps that are transformed by change pools "have the REAL change/death bolts" as admitted in ticket.
Please do not encourage ...

Unless the problem is "suicide if shit roll", which I did add specifically because some people would roll a chicken then spend 5 minutes looking for me so they can ask me for permission to die because they don't want to be a chicken.

Yes, encouraging mobs to suicide to roll again for a ...

You are allowed to know how lavaland/icebox ruins and creatures work.
Where it starts being bad is trying to game the change pool it by your intent to have intelligent mobs you created use the change pool, then suicide if you don't get the carp, for the ghost players to try again like a gacha ...

Instead of a binary "no head assigned for humans", we could consider lower job weights for nonhumans in head positions instead

A change like this would only work with a change to limit lethality on LRP.

Part of the reason for MRP servers was to limit lethality for antag-crew interaction for more roleplay in general.

If you're limiting lethality on LRP for sec and antags, then you need to limit crew validhunting as ...

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:58 am If someone is acting as security, they're held to that standard. That's been the case for a long while. Enough that I think sec bans should include captain bans. (Though I think any department ban should include a captain ban tbh)

They usually should, admins just forget sometimes

We've been through this

So do we just ignore non-sec lynchings of antags and antags being unrestricted and able to do anything in LRP

This feels more like nerfing what security can do against any antag while ignoring lethal antags who just go wild and non-sec being just able to walk up and stab the antag to death in front ...

Why are you proposing it for Terry of all things

TheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:10 pm I still can't post in the player's club for some reason and idk who to even talk to to get help with this

Forum admins like riggle probably

have you played recently

Fair enough, Improvedname is unbanned

What I want to know is this.

Iansdoor, why are you posting on behalf of Improved name and he's not appealing himself?

It's been 8 months, bmon's not an admin anymore and I'm taking over.

Your history, was not exactly the best or even good, and it seems you weren't learning from your previous notes.

The most egregious was, of course, your secret streaming of a round to a separate discord that not only got you ...

Codifying it into rule 3 is a bit extreme I feel, admins already have the power to stop it if it gets out of hand. Id rather see this put in on a MRP rule or something alike if we have to.
Id rather we didn't outright ban it because largely its a fun, harmless [to those outside the fight] thing to ...

I was involved towards the end, with some advising on what to do and sending a centcom official to resolve this ICly.

All I can say here is that I ended up having to send a centcom official for mediation while Astrogem was being pressed on both sides and Captain wanted an ERT to seize the HoS.

In all honesty I think as long as they’re not dragging people into it, it’s not the most immersion-killing thing ever. I used to do this sort of thing with Kanaga Siegrist, Randy Highlands, and whoever else I became friends with— and it just felt like goofing off in a world with defibrillators ...

Since kayozz has been unbanned and acknowledged the unban, the appeal is resolved.

Locking.

Full attack logs

[2025-03-02 10:20:48.832] ATTACK: ka2220/(Invisible Man) (mob_3674) attacked [wooden table] with the proto-kinetic crusher (Wielded) (Bar (106,132,2))
[2025-03-02 10:21:48.192] ATTACK: ka2220/(Invisible Man) (mob_3674) attacked *no key*/(�chicken) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT ...

Given that it has been a long time and LordGfus last connected on 12 Feb I believed this is resolved between both parties

Since there is now a thread about removing the l-word totally I'm closing this.

Uh, saing ligger makes you valid.

Valid means your ass is no longer your own.

You aren't even allowed to fight back. This isn't free escalation bait.

An admin deciding to ban a secoff for "unlawfully" arresting someone who said ligger is insane. Provided they don't do shit and vomit swirlies ...

We know that you are allowed to kill off crew who say the l-word.

The issue is whether security is allowed to arrest and perma and gulag you over the murder.

dodging the discussion about whether or not we just wanna be able to say the word or not here. transitioning means i can do matrix ...

As long as MSO is still footing the bill, I don't see it being banned.

For now we're stuck with this ruling, as do a lot of other rulings regarding rule 11.

I think it's...okay for security to arrest you for beating up someone over the situation, assuming it isn't the victim orchestrating the situation. Which is basically just baiting at that point. They're a third party that does actually have a job to maintain order, and random assaults kind of fall ...

I think murder is a severe response to a word, even if that word is a slur. We don't murder people over words in real life and I think that reasoning should extend to IC as well and Security should be allowed to arrest murderers even if the murder was valid OOC.

If we should have people ...

We know that you are allowed to kill off crew who say the l-word.

The issue is whether security is allowed to arrest and perma and gulag you over the murder.

also you haven't reduced the ban duration as it has passed 24h. (aka. 6 days remain)

I already stated I was going to reduce it to a week as it was supposed to be a week. There will be no further reduction from me.

This is not because you convinced me, this is because I fucked up the ban. The ...

Say logs:

[2024-12-22 13:21:37.925] GAME-SAY: YavuzKaganY/(Garry Romaniev) (mob_3497) "captain" (Command Hallway (80,138,3))
[2024-12-22 13:21:40.659] GAME-SAY: BlitzArde/(Braylon Watson) (mob_3425) "GET BACK HERE AND BE THE CAPTAIN" (Central Tram Underpass (117,118,2))
[2024-12-22 13:21:52.747 ...

The logs showed you were the one who started firing disablers at him before he got off 1 single baton.

[2024-12-22 13:22:05.757] ATTACK: BlitzArde/(Braylon Watson) (mob_3425) has thrown Lorlor Rakustdath's ID Card (Acting Captain) . (Port Tram Dock (79,123,3))
[2024-12-22 13:22:57.679] ATTACK ...

This would be completely reasonable if it were around 1 hour into the round.

Not around less than 10 minutes.

I am not going to reduce the ban further.

This was supposed to be a weekban from command, reducing.

For one, I don't believe the HoP should have been demoted for "dereliction of duty" when they handed it over to you to take care of it, this is really unfair to the HoP as they at least tried to address it by handing over the ...

Since the ban has expired and OP has not contested the note after a week from the last reply, I am locking this on Iain's behalf.

even before wallening put sybil into the grave, the biggest thing that made me not want to log in was that there was no one on the crew manifest that i can recognize and think "i bet they're up to some shenanigans, lets see what they're up to". everyone's just busy jobbing around until they get ...

And what if an admin refuses to participate in a trial by combat?

I'll be more direct and say that your comments in the wallening pr and thread were dismissive and, quite frankly, rude, to the point it contributed to the toxic atmosphere around the wallening.

As a member of the admin team, we're supposed to be communicating with the community and felt really ...

Goofball, I'm going to level with you, you took a position of anti-wallening and ended up pissing them off by exaggerating your involvement, then basically threw away any chance of reconciliation with them.

Your toxicity is a issue here, and is something we really don't want in this painful time ...

What do you mean by "Controversial appeals and complaints"?

Banning admin is doctorbrutality, who has retired.

For context, this ruling was made in 2014, when events were basically in their "wild west" stage and made by someone infamous for setting events up.

What it was supposed to be was to prevent admins from being worried about setting up events with no fear of complaints of ided just for setting up ...

Stubborn to a point that it is difficult and wholly unenjoyable to interact with them in any adminbus discussion. Disagreement and argument allows for the team to improve their reasoning on stances, but repeatedly stating the same argument even while facing evidence that the rules state directly ...

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2. Is a corpse of X still considered human if the AI is onehumaned to X?

No, because corpses are never considered human unless a law defines them as such.

The corpse still has the name of the person. Standard asimov is negated because now "Only X is human". It radically changes the ...

2. Is a corpse of X still considered human if the AI is onehumaned to X?

No, because corpses are never considered human unless a law defines them as such.

The corpse still has the name of the person. Standard asimov is negated because now "Only X is human". It radically changes the ...

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5. If a onehumaned AI says "Only X is human" and there are two or more people named X, should the AI be allowed to pick and choose which X to follow and protect or must it protect all that fit the condition

Yes I completely understand some of them were answered before but others have replied in the opposite and I had to act before we drown in conflicting judgements

1. Can an AI kill X if they only have "Only follow the orders of X" as a law?

2. Is a corpse of X still considered human if the AI is onehumaned to X?

3. Is a law that no longer applies due to the X no longer existing or alive still considered a law that restricts behavior? Example "Protect X"

4 ...

Full disclosure, this it the message that resulted in your ban.

Revenant - Grief ghosts. I'd agree with their removal as well - they don't really meaningfully contribute to a round. :brain:

Disagree on this.

Revenant's (deceptively) low impact is why I prefer they stay. It gives deadchat a way to impact the round by assisting the revenant being an ...

New account PurpleSnow banned per action from MSO:

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kill

This is still not a reason to immediately kill the guy. It should never be a case of "he flash, kill" when you don't know what's going on (which is usually the case at roundstart)

Reasonable gullibility does not mean "you must always let them off ...

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