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The ideal way to counterbalance that would be to scale the encounter frequency and difficulty (and loot?) to the amount of active miners, but calculating that without leaving room for powergaming would take some forethought.

Additionally the station should start with some basic limited supply ...

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In terms of solo mining being more efficient, a potential idea is to switch mineral collection to be based on ore drill installations; the miners would have to explore with their local scanners until they find promising veins, then call down a drill with a beacon, from a station-shared pool of ore ...

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datorangebottle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:10 pm While we're on the topic of Abductors, why don't they know what the organs do in-game?

The scientist abductor can examine them to see which one they are

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In tg code teleportations are tagged by which kind of source they use to teleport (bluespace, quantum, wormhole, magic, cult, other) which adds the possibility of partial teleport blockers that only parry certain sources.

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nanites are too strong because no one sabotages them > people learn nanites > people abuse nanites > people learn to sabotage nanites > no one uses nanites > no one sabotages nanites

See, that'd be somewhat acceptable, but the step between "people abuse nanites > people learn to sabotage nanites ...

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All reasoning and arguments are pointless. The coder doesn't like nanites and the headcoder was like yeah do whatever I don't like them either. So they go away.

All that's left is to seethe and cope until we get used to it. Staple TG experience.
And their creator doesn't like them either.

To ...

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IC racism/speciesism does not strictly, in isolation, mean that the player themself is racist. However, the idea of it would obviously appeal to IRL racists, and when a character acts it out with too much enthusiasm it doesn't paint a pleasant picture of the player behind it, especially combined ...

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From a cursory look the bug is caused by the liquid contents proc qdeleting the object before it has the chance to process the prickles signal on impact.
A quick patchwork solution would be to simply add a tiny delay to the qdel() call to allow for all signal reactions to go through, while a more ...

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Containing griefers into a server where they have to deal with each other like that sounds kinda swell if it weren't for
a) the aforementioned magnet effect
b) plenty of griefers tend to get their kicks off the fact they pissed someone off, and the lack of easy victims means the server wouldn't ...

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There's a possibility that many players will join the server to fuck around, but instead just get consistently outrobusted by the players who specialize in it and just become the sacrificial victims for the fun of the current murderboner. It would kinda defeat the point of being stress relief if it ...

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From what i've seen in various web communities, 'containment' sections mostly end up becoming magnets and echo chambers for whatever they're supposed to contain, and eventually seep into the mainstream sections even more than before.

Like Manuel? or does this only go one way?

Manuel included ...

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Virology really suffers from not being able to upgrade their work over the course of a round; once a virus is out and about it can't really be updated most of the time.
I theorized how it could be reworked to allow live-updating them via a console, and it ended up being different enough that i made ...

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i still can't figure out why "taking what you're breathing for granted" is a bad thing

To see their point, you could imagine a scenario where everyone started with a spacesuit in their box that lasts 15 minutes (rechargeable). It would trivialize the danger of being exposed to space, making ...

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From what i've seen in various web communities, 'containment' sections mostly end up becoming magnets and echo chambers for whatever they're supposed to contain, and eventually seep into the mainstream sections even more than before.

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i still can't figure out why "taking what you're breathing for granted" is a bad thing

To see their point, you could imagine a scenario where everyone started with a spacesuit in their box that lasts 15 minutes (rechargeable). It would trivialize the danger of being exposed to space, making ...

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I can see why making breathable air more valuable would be attractive. A very frequent trope in space-based media is the danger of running out of oxygen, and SS13 as it is now simply is way too generous to make that a concern. A hallway that has been vented to space is not a roadblock that requires ...

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That information about the chamber is outdated, the non-public nanite chamber still implants cloud-synced nanites, which is necessary to get the programs. It can also edit the cloud ID of the nanites afterwards, potentially setting it to 0 and disabling cloud sync, but that's unwise since unsynced ...

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But are they allowed to? Let's find out in this thread!

you dont need a policy change for basic application of rule 1 and rule 10, this thread is about making it a bannable offense which is as retarded as banning people cause they made you lose on an arcade orion trial game by clicking the kill ...

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Even if it isn't targeted at one specific person for their specific identity, stuff like the n-word still creates an acid atmosphere for anyone who belongs to the groups they originally targeted, because it's hard to tell if people using it are just crass or if they're actually bigoted (and the ...

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cacogen wrote:Also IT sounds like having to install a printer driver so ideally for the health of your thread you'd have called it something sexier and less accurate

Lean into it, genetics now needs to call IT to download Adobe DNA Scanner

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I agree, what i meant was that the only proactive non-antag gameplay on that list would be setting timers on consoles and mining bitcoins.
Virology suffers from a similar issue where if they're not antag and there's no virus-using antag or event, they can only do the classic healvirus with very ...

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To make it a proper department it will need extensive non-antag functionality to justify its existence, otherwise the only people working on it will be those interested in griefing or antagging.
I think there's probably not enough depth in computers and modular consoles yet to allow for a full ...

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Launchpads have a limited range unlike old telesci, especially roundstart with no upgrades, so that particular issue shouldn't be a problem.

I'm kinda iffy on the idea of having a remote, though, because i want to encourage team effort over solo play whenever possible. Without a remote, the optimal ...

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Personally i like the idea of making calling for help more complicated, but i've witnessed a trial of this a few years ago, and it ended up making you feel kind of isolated from the other players, especially with a job that keeps you in your office. Which resulted in people clumping with their ...

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So how would you interpret 'all humans are cheesy honkers'? Are they both human and cheesy honkers, are they not human anymore, or is it to be considered a self-conflicting law?

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That's not a very helpful criteria, the three laws describe what to do with humans, but not what humans are, so both ion and freeform laws would behave the same way (depending on how this ruling is decided)

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There's two main branches of players we're dealing with, those who play to see interesting situations and those who like to achieve successes. The former have an internal incentive to make things interesting even if they're not advantageous in gameplay, but creating an incentive for the latter to do ...

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I love racism, even if imaginary.

even if?

An event or gamemode like nonhuman supremacy (I'm thinking a twist on revs) would probably push the game towards more inter-species conflict - by giving snowflake races a reason to speak in their species language (discretion) and other players the ...

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Coders should code better instead of expecting players to play suiting their expectations.

I'd love it if we could code an AI that judges if players are ruining a round with bad commands, but since that's a pretty tall order, admins and rules are the next best thing.
We could add restrictions ...

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Being valid is not a universal deterrent, since there's plenty of people who enjoy the challenge of being hunted or attempt to exploit it as an escalation excuse.

If it's a behaviour that we don't want to see at all then it should be handled by admins like any other rule, otherwise it should be ...

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Personally i find timer-based bonuses generally not very useful or fun, because the only way to make use of them is to stockpile enough different types for every situation, and the unused ones end up having been a waste of effort.

I'd suggest leaning on the concept of everyone having an unique ...

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From my perspective this really looks like a code/balance issue. Solving it via policy is probably possible, but it would be like making a rule not to use cloning too much instead of just removing it from the code.
I'm not saying genetics should be removed, but its mechanics should be thought out so ...

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Incidentally i was already working on expanding logging for nanites, although that's only for after-round purposes.

As for extra security, a simple suggestion would be to rebuild the cloud console in a different location! If someone's grand plan to sabotage nanites involves waltzing into the same ...

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FYI viral replica only works if the target already has nanites, it overwrites existing programs and/or cloud ID. The others make a copy the infector's programming by default.

EDIT: They were meant to copy cloud ID over, but they currently don't, and only copy the programs onto a cloud 0 swarm on ...

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Nanite coder here, the unreliability is very much intentional and is the reason they can be as powerful as they currently are. If you can extend some trust and embrace rule 10, you get to reap the benefits of high regeneration, armor, medical scans; hell, even self revival if the operator is skilled ...

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When i changed skeletons into being unable to process reagents i have to admit i didn't consider that the vast majority of healing is still reagent-based. The fact that they were pretty much wizard-only meant that when this issue came out, it was mostly regarded as a balancing factor to the many ...

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So can you just swap the poll options in this forum to suit you after they've been voted on? This might be the third time where the option with the majority got changed from "No" to "Yes (or Yes, but with some tweaks)"

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Only gradually buffing construction until people stop calling the shuttle is likely to end up either being ineffective or overbuffing it (or both, depending on which players are online at the moment), since players won't have much incentive to change their habits from simply pressing the restart ...

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Super Aggro Crag wrote:It'll just result in people finding a quiet safe locker to AFK in until the shuttle is callable so they can get their round end survival green

Compared to force-ending the round for the other players who are enjoying it, it's still an improvement, even if it really was as frequent as you say.

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the poll says otherwise, nerd
wow people with autism play space station 13? Now i've seen everything!

Reminder that a symptom of autism is a pathological resistance to any kind of change. Notice how zero arguments have been put forth defending the shuttle in its current state, so we can infer ...

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fuck engineers
shaps feels strongly about this

and I am basically never going to be willing to put an automated time limit on the round time.

The players will always decide IC.

We aim for a certain time period, which is about 1 and a half hours per round, at which point most of the standard ...

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what do you expect hijack objective traitors to do, ask the entire fucking station "dont get on the shuttle plz and thank you :3"?

If an objective can only be accomplished by murderbone there is still an issue, although it's more of a code issue with the objective itself than a policy issue, as ...

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It might cause issues but i think that improving the typing speed to movement speed ratio will indeed help foster interactions whenever you want to catch the attention of someone moving. It's probably one of the reasons why security is heavily incentivized to stun someone to search them, for example ...

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Stealth aside, there is a difference in attacking a location to gather loot and attacking a location to murder; if pirates-as-punishment becomes mainstream, the loot gathering will fade into the background much like wizard objectives already have, unless they get a mechanical advantage out of it ...

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If we rationalize murderboning this way, pirates will eventually be expected to go in guns blazing when raiding the station, since they'll be supposed to be the deterrent to convince people to pay the ransom.

Not that it's necessarily a bad idea, but if pirates were supposed to have the option to ...

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I think the issue is how the definition of murderbone has been expanded to the point where

murder = murderbone

I suspect this kind of thing happens because the kind of person who likes murderboning will likely ignore the nuance required by any definition more permissive than "no killing", and ...

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The difference is the timeframe involved; unless the round has been going for hours, the only person who has had access to virology equipment long enough to engineer a proper death virus is the official virologist. Making a durand is not instantaneous, but it's a matter of few minutes at most if the ...

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How am I supposed to know who to lynch when I get a cough?!!

Honestly this by itself is a pretty good reason to roll virologists into doctors; right now if a megavirus gets loose it's pretty obvious who did it, and the virologist has to change/hide their identity for the rest of the round to not ...

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Skelus wrote:Is it unacceptable to spraypaint your face white as a black character and act as boring, productive, and well spoken as possible

Gee i wonder why anyone would think that /tg/ attracts white supremacists

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I treat it as if when abductors aren’t called out you can’t call them out
If you knew there are abductors beforehand you can “””deduce””” that they were the ones that fucked you up

That's probably ok, but i'd add that you shouldn't be "aware" of the gland inside you unless someone else tells you ...

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