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Gamarr

Making offensive/lethal spells costlier just means you're going to get wizards with lethal spells. I think a good deal of the issues may be solved with simply giving wizards More magical gear and spells not aimed at such lethality. There's a ton in tg code to give him a bag of wacky tricks.
Simply ...

Gamarr

Remove some of the more lethal spells of wizard. Now merge it with the demon-pact stuff whatever from before, whether mechanical or in theme.
The wizard is there to do whatever he wants. It would be nice if he had spells/boons to give people just because he feels like it. It doesn't have to be ...

Gamarr

In My opinion, AI should just follow laws as written to the end. if someone says "law 2, kill all moths" then you kill all moths. if someone says law 1/2 kill yourself, you kill yourself then and there. and if someone says bolt open all doors, collect all X and so on, do it. of course, you may ...

Gamarr

Why does it have to be about antag hunting. Can't greybacks break into dorms just to rob sleeping people because they want to?

Now to the point about protecting the room you're using and worrying about being bugged: Learn the game.
Off the top of my head and not perfect solutions that the person ...

Gamarr

Expanding the supreme court is not only an effective plan to reduce ill-gotten seats (waaaah why are the democrats using the same playbook as the republicans, that's not faaaaaaaaaair) influence across the entire country, it's a reasonable progression given how influential these seats are. The ...

Gamarr

'Antifa is just an idea' said one of them. If people are willing to get behind that, SAG, what do you hope to accomplish in discussion? He can eat babies and it won't matter because Orange Man Bad.

Yeah I support the senile corrupt globalist pedophile rapist.

He's better for the world than the ...

Gamarr

With cloning and easy revival? This is an absolute nightmare that would not work. While rocks examples and points were good, tg is different in that 'death' is not final. Losing memories just from head trauma is one thing but full on allowing people to be ghosts before joining the living again? Not ...

Gamarr

I can't even emphasize how mad I am that this guy is asking for this policy discussion to be some kind of wack ass BARTER like give me this for that when the thing he wants wasn't even done like what the f

'Offer up maint access in exchange for return of your greyback meme' means that they still ...

Gamarr

Tarchonvaagh wrote:Oh they removed assistant maint access? Neat

I don't think so quite yet but given the other thread, and continued inability to provide reasons for them having it, it might actually happen again.

Gamarr

You want grey back then offer up assistant maintenance access to them in exchange.

Gamarr

NoxVS wrote:singularities and teslas were fucking awful anyways

built just so people could "accidentally" end the round

nothing of value was lost today

Pretty much this.

Gamarr

You want combat to not suck then it has to be less binary!
That means the mobs need to be DIFFERENT from eachother. Every fucking Human mob (almost) is the same as every other Human mob crewman.

There are no stats that make them Them. You can dress them up but the bit of armor and weapons that ...

Gamarr

What you do is remove assistants entirely and instead have a monkey role for roundstart.
The new role makes you a monkey in one of the pens for departments around. That's it.

Gamarr

It is kinda shitty but with the AI it is about 'visible intent.' Like, you make it obvious harm happens when Dude X gets their way and your death actually halts part of their plan, its a clear case.

Example: Let's say the AI is watching a Hostile break into Storage with spare upload and law cards ...

Gamarr

Assistants don't need maint because assistants don't actually do anything that requires it.
This used to be a toggle way back when and probably still is, and was even used briefly. I often pushed for it but guess what?
Nobody wants to fight for it or listen to the reeing that resulted from the ...

Gamarr

Now for something I didn't see brought up. https://www.kmov.com/news/george-floyd-protests-st-louis-man-killed-fedex-truck/article_f8a89482-a259-11ea-84b8-a374c58a7d47.html

Article highlights it fairly well but Fedex semi-truck gets diverted because protesters on the highway, of course. Only to get ...

Gamarr

If there are admins on, and there should be at least one, then I don't see the problem.

Wizard is being friendly? Then create something else around that.
Off the top of my head: Spawn a squad of tunnel clowns with the objective of doing a hit on the wizard.

Gamarr

What I don't get is that harassing someone for calling you a ligger Is allowed. There likely is a disconnect here though because the bureaucrats can never function coherently together here.

How to get ruined- Calling a lizard a ligger
-WGW
-Being a synth (because any Human crew > any borg as per ...

Gamarr

It's like the game makes your life more valuable since you have to actually watch out for yourself or something.
Also, if medbay is too incompetent routinely then there's an answer for that and it was the same for engineering releasing the sing at the start of the story.
Take some responsibility and ...

Gamarr

Changing it or not is a separate issue and a fine one to prevent such problems in the future if thats the call. Unsurprisingly this was their answer and goes to show that the move to another spot should be done nonetheless, for if they shall police your works like this now they will certainly do it ...

Gamarr

peoplearestrange wrote: Says the straight white guy.

This being your automatic assumption of someone for disagreeing with you says all that needs to be said about the issues behind this argument, how dangerous it is, and what a slippery slope this is.

Gamarr

I'm betting on the github issue is almost-directly tied the insanity in this thread in some form or another. Play shitty games, win shitty prizes.
Also,

Naloac wrote:People who cant handle the no no words are just as bad as the retards screaming nigger over and over again.

Gamarr

Using the super-engine as a method to generate exotic materials for more energy/materials seems like a legit proper use for it and this makes me say, for once, that such thing like the super-matter is fine to keep for this reason.

Maybe ask them to tweak it if it produces too many or get more ...

Gamarr

Slippery slope. You start doing it for that, enjoy doing it fucking forever, for a growing list, when the bureaucracy has issues following tenets already there.

You worded your argument awfully anonmare but you're saying the same thing, I think, despite saying it so weird.

Gamarr

You could several problems by just removing present mechs. You can do much of what you want with them using modular armor stuff, which already seems to be a goal. What really are mechs adding over the suits that the station/code needs? They create many problems imo while adding zero save look flashy ...

Gamarr

The recent posters should really read the thread wholly as the points have been very well gone over already regarding this topic. Manuel doesn't really count as an example because the whole thing there is about not jumping the shark. Glad to hear it played out so wonderfully in the above story ...

Gamarr

Extending the average episode time is not gonna ever really work if the overall thing isn't reworked, too. As it is the server/station is like a dude doing the balancing plates trick. Each plate spinning is a representation of a facet of the server after it starts. One plate is the mode, each dept ...

Gamarr

Silicons are tools. When in doubt between you and the tool, break the damn tool and get it fixed afterward if you feel like it. They're even easier to bring back from the 'dead' than crew to drive this point home.
They're lower than non-human crew and that should be saying something.

Gamarr

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Gamarr

This won't actually reduce tiding, this just lets tiders get more loot roundstart, especially if the engineering assistants get maint access since people already pick engineering just to tide with insuls + RCD.
This only works so long until the admins permabans them from engineering for it. If ...

Gamarr

I want to point out that you want assistants that don't do anything but want to hold a mime to a standard of not-talking and kill him just for breaking it. Do you not see the absurdity of this?

Gamarr

And you wonder why mimes are assholes.

Gamarr

Vomit isn't a problem with fly-men on the manifest.

Oh wait.

Gamarr

Removing assmaint is the litmus test to changing them for the better.
If they cannot, for some reason, even bring themselves to removing the maintenance and giving a good reason why the assistants Need it for the job, well then there you go.
I'm all for removing/changing the role overall too. Or ...

Gamarr

Maybe it's about the fact that there is an absolute refusal to take away assistants maint, perhaps, and you can see the rearing of this ugly head as people bend over backwards to not take away airlock maintenance for a role that does nothing.

Go ahead and keep putting your heads in the ground then.

Gamarr

I'm a bit at a loss for how to deal with powergamers and omnidisciplinarians
This relates to an old issue: this is in part because almost every single Human player mob on the station is the same as every single other one. There are no stats/traits/skills to differentiate between an assistant or a ...

Gamarr

SS13 needs less moderator micromanagement of what players can and cannot do, not more.

This is a large issue and it is seconded only by the game needing a more solid foundation. Several points from others after that have said it well in that the rounds go too fast, among other things.

Code don't ...

Gamarr

Got me but adding 'more' roles don't mean anything when majority of roles go unfulfilled nonetheless.
This is no diff than jamming in more fun tools to the game but continuing to build jobs with no attributes, traits, or skills system.

Regarding assistants,
they couldn't even settle on removing ...

Gamarr

I've tried saying that they should lose maintenance and other things for a long time. It got whinged away time and again.
If the codebase cannot remove such obvious perks it is not on people for taking the blatantly obvious easy road when the other, more difficult ones, offer little in way of ...

Gamarr

This is why you run, always. They have no requirement to be competent and you have no guarantee to not be shit on.
Just don't get caught. The station is big, go enjoy maintenance. They want you, they can come in after you, and things happen in the dark.

Gamarr

thank you for this research skoglol, very useful.

Can we make the medbay holobarrier refuse passage to irradiated people as well as diseased people?
Beautiful fucking idea. Can also try to get a quarantine section for medbay. Maybe have it connect to maint, so its not infecting the medbay ...

Gamarr

Deleted someone reading WGW. There needs to be more of this.

Gamarr

Not currently supported in tg code. It's an arcade game with little quality-of-life mechanics.
Policy and admins are however a small, easily done part of the whole concept and I don't think an obstacle of any sort. The lack of support mechanically will be the greatest issue imo.

Gamarr

The escalation issue is a direct result imo of the lack of actual gameplay present for people to entertain themselves properly. It's not entirely at fault but over time, and it has been a long time, it has contributed towards the attitude, 'ease' of which it is used, and just general acceptance.

To ...

Gamarr

Bog = slave.
MMI = not slave/crew.
That's all that is needed to know, and the MMI could do what it wants. Imo it has always been like this, and has been a good way to interrogate a borg sans laws and messing around. Just people have been stupid for years and it's never been really utilized, despite ...

Gamarr

One solution is to just turn off OOC during in-progress rounds. It's not a bad one.
Another is to not but then ban idiots who are stupid enough to meme in ooc 'because it's there and we can.' I mean, at least one of these is fun, but not really if you forget to turn off ooc and are enjoying a round.

Gamarr

Are a work hazard (Filling it with plasma, radioactive material, and so on).

I now want the armory to just be a dumping ground for old tech and dangerous shit, because there is a lack of radioactive substances and their hazards. Said dump just now happens to also be the weapon storage depot ...

Gamarr

You removed the superior fly-men and keep these dumpster fires.
Looks legit for here.

Gamarr

I've yet to see anyone lay out some of the bottom lines.
The server barely has rp, and you want the warden to sit in a brig for a whole story, basically.
On a server with no needs, really, and he could conceivably never die if he never moved from the wardens chair.
Do you realize how fucking boring ...

Gamarr

You give the traitors all the toys to get jobs done, including portable teleporters and stealth weapons.

Let the fucking sec design the dept how they want, it's not like it's permanent beyond that round. Let the fucking warden do what he wants to the armory and brig.
It's this kind of shit that ...

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