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JupiterJaeden

Gonna be away from my PC for a few days so my replies will probably be pretty late. I'm surprised to hear that Nox did not question the officers for their side of the story. And I should add that I should have worded the original post different to make it sound less like a ban request. Im not ...

JupiterJaeden

Actually while I'm here maybe I'm changing pace a bit - as per the ticket they ignored the HoS, the HoS tried to arrest them, the HoS failed and got their ID stolen, the HoS later got their ID back, and the sec officers just refused to do any duties.

Hi timber, I was one of the secoffs in ...

JupiterJaeden

1) DrAmazing said literally none of this, they said "We expect people to act reasonably IC and not try to find the most efficient ways to get other people in trouble for attacking them" and you heard "I'm banning you if your calls for help aren't at least 140 characters".

I don’t know how it’s ...

JupiterJaeden

What we're after is instead folks who would use it to try and game out an escape from an enemy/call for backup in a way that breaks immersion even harder. Think seeing an esword and going "X BAD X BAD X TOT X TOT" over and over again— it's a small difference, and something some may call ...

JupiterJaeden

I don’t really care about “tot” specifically, but griping over “X BAD” type callouts in general is kinda dumb. Yes, it’s not the most immersive, but the reason people generally do it is not because they’re lazy and don’t care about RP. It’s because in this game in order to say something you have to ...

JupiterJaeden

I recently got a new gaming mouse, and in fact this is the first time I've ever had such a thing that had rebindings as robust as this one.

It can click places on the screen for me and press multiple buttons with a single button press.

Recently, hotkeys for ability bars were instituted. Recently ...

JupiterJaeden

Oh if anyone didn't get where goofball was going with comparing us to the "killing the free manuel party", here's him elaborating further: https://imgur.com/a/Y0aB8vU

JupiterJaeden

i'm filing official complaints with the election council then, if you're this upset about competition that you'll send your playerbase to try to fuck with our election and then get pissy when people offer alternative solutions then you shouldn't be involved in the electoral process here ...

JupiterJaeden

given that you are currently suggesting to your playerbase that they participate in this election despite being a separate community because one of the candidates wants to rebase /tg/ to your codebase, i'm not sure why you're suddenly so concerned about headmin support for Wallstation

https ...

JupiterJaeden

Have you actually discussed this possibility with Jupiter (the host of Wallstation) at all?

Negative. The possibility has been discussed, but not with goof. Repeating again that goof has absolutely 0 power over us and cannot guarantee point #2 to happen in any way, shape, or form.

JupiterJaeden

I have to win the election first before we can get the ball rolling on this but for a variety of reasons I'm sure they'd be on board.

Big assumption there mate, because I can personally tell you (as host of wallstation) that is far from a certainty.

JupiterJaeden

Hi there, host of wallstation here.

Goof isn't connected to us in any way and has no power to make #2 happen. We haven't agreed to any such thing yet. Goof specifically has not even brought it up to us yet.

JupiterJaeden

I know this is resolved now but I want to point out a rule 4 precedent that seems to have been ignored here:

The dead dog litmus test: Players may hunt specific threats or antagonists who have identifiably done something to wrong that particular player, the Ur-example being that players may seek ...

JupiterJaeden

Sure, there would be no point arguing it further. Thank you for those modifications at least.

JupiterJaeden

I appreciate the severity reduction. If you're not going to remove it can you add to the note that the server was completely empty other than us please, because I do not want it implied that I would have metacommed on any server with other players

JupiterJaeden

I just want to point out again to kinda highlight the absurdity of this situation that the server was completely empty other than 1 suicided guy I found right after joining (and before putting anything on discord), and the person I was teaching. This was an empty server. I frankly don't understand ...

JupiterJaeden

It is frustrating to get brick walled by admins with pedantic, draconian adherence to the perceived rules on an issue which is clearly and unambiguously completely inconsequential. The idea that my actions, which were already incredibly minor, substantively change because they were posted in one ...

JupiterJaeden

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden

Ban/note type (Check what applies):
() - Server Ban
(x) - Note
() - Forum Ban
() - Discord Ban

Ban/note length: Indefinite
Ban/note reason: In the Manuel Gamer Hut discord, organized a meeting with player Krytor to help them with practicing security. This ...

JupiterJaeden

Gonna comment on this from a mostly MRP perspective as I main MRP sec.

I definitely agree with higgin that the threat advisory should be the guide for how freely armory gear is distributed near roundstart, which is normally how I deal with it when I play HOS. Although even on lower threats I ...

JupiterJaeden

Thank you for being reasonable on the issue and not forcing this into headmin review. Happy spacing.

JupiterJaeden

Alrighty, let me take this from the top. First of all, right out of the bat from the revised ban reason:

rarely, if ever, giving any antagonist rope when dealing with them

Anyone who regularly plays security with me can tell you this is not true. If I catch antags early on a low-threat round I ...

JupiterJaeden

You appear to be stripping him of his belongings for some reason while presumably he is in stamina crit from being tabled.

Addressed; all I did was take the gavel back from him:

In this court case, the captain had not shown up to be the judge for like 5+ minutes and had also not appointed ...

JupiterJaeden

Ban Details
BYOND account : JupiterJaeden
Character name : Jeff Gaiman
Ban type : Security + captain jobban
Ban length : Permanent
Ban reason : Banned from Roles: Captain, Head of Security, security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer permanently - Consistent History of Borderline ...

JupiterJaeden

Fun should come before any other reason.

The people who want non-human heads enabled are asking so because they want to have fun.
It is fun to play heads of staff on occasion, and similarly some players find it very fun to play their favorite- and likely non-human- character.
No lore, nor balance ...

JupiterJaeden

You see the thing is-
Security on most shifts are so incredibly inept stupid and blind/deaf enough to where they won’t even know you exist.

Not exactly fun when you can just be killed for picking a role and instantly becoming valid by every single antagonist on the station, I can also see this ...

JupiterJaeden

We got driven off the point really.

I'm gonna recite the main point again:
Antagonists (on MRP) should not be allowed to indiscriminately kill all of the Security department just for being Security.
They still can kill them if they stand in the line of their objectives.

The first comments by ...

JupiterJaeden

I know the major complaint is gonna be "but what about muh asimov" but we already let non-humans be security which conflicts with the AI WAY MORE than the average head of staff in most rounds, and the game still works just fine.

Gonna level with you, the reason it 'works' is because every ...

JupiterJaeden

Space Ninja decapitated all of the Security members on the station. I was attacked when I was just watching Security Cameras unaware, capped.

You would have 100% killed the ninja on sight if you had the chance to. This is the expected way for security to deal with ninjas. How is it even ...

JupiterJaeden

But is it fun to die not even trying to stop the Antagonist? To just die for being a Security Officer, just to suddenly die from a Restricted Antagonist you didn't even know about or were hunting down? Rather unfun for the entire department who got just annihilated for being possible trouble in ...

JupiterJaeden

my understanding of restricted antags vs sec has always been that it either needs to be in pursuit of your objectives (this secoff is posted in engineering and i need to sabotage the engine, i'm going to kill him) or you have a specific example in that round that justifies attacking sec (officer ...

JupiterJaeden

No. This is a terrible idea. For the same reason it would he dumb to disallow murderboning if crew validhunting was allowed. Security is allowed to freely search for, validhunt, and attack antagonists. Antagonists must be able to freely do so in return without having to worry about justifying it to ...

JupiterJaeden

I highly doubt anyone who wants to be a head is balking at it because they can't do it with their main static. I'd love to hear if I'm wrong, though.

You are 100% wrong about this. I hear people say it ALL the time in Manuelcord, at least. I imagine it's probably an issue to a lesser extent on ...

JupiterJaeden

I 100% agree with this. Let there be non-human heads. I know the major complaint is gonna be "but what about muh asimov" but we already let non-humans be security which conflicts with the AI WAY MORE than the average head of staff in most rounds, and the game still works just fine. Non-human QMs ...

JupiterJaeden

I think this is a bad idea and the idea that sybil/terry and manuel are "basically the same experience already amirite guys" is painfully untrue. The different rulesets do 100% give meaningful differences to the kind of play that occurs and frankly the culture is just quite different as well.

I ...

JupiterJaeden

Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:25 pm Since I get the feeling this never hit a satisfying conclusion for Jaeden, I'm going to give this another 24 hours before locking it.

I've requested headmin review and never heard a word about it. Has the banning admin informed the headmins yet?

JupiterJaeden

I suppose the issue here is two things. One, doing this while you still have an active job ban for Security roles is extremely discouraged. And while a threat to the round didn't appear warranting you to help security during the round (or just a global/roundending threat in general), you'll ...

JupiterJaeden

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden
Character name: Jeff Gaiman
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 2 days
Ban reason: As a non-antagonist, first stole basic security gear from a unlocked checkpoint, an issue with RPR 7. Then later, escalated massively a conflict they won, by cremating the gear of the other ...

JupiterJaeden

I'd suggest: "An Officer placed a mime in a timerless cell for interfering with an arrest, eventually tried to escape. Jeff had been feeling as though there were a large volume of antagonists on the station and didn't want to spare the time to deal with the mime normally due to other security dying ...

JupiterJaeden

Okay, sure. Like I said in my post I was only requesting it because I have had a number of people say they felt this ban was unjustified, including people who have reached out to me directly to say it. It's no big deal to me if you decide not to review.

Like stated before I would still like the ...

JupiterJaeden

you stood there laser-in hand for what seemed to be the duration of his invisible wall, even a verbal warning issued here would have pushed the situation in your favor and justified a harsher outcome.

Fair enough, I could have used that chance to warn him. That would have been a reasonable ...

JupiterJaeden

Hold on, I am making one more (short) post.

JupiterJaeden

First of all a couple notes on the history.

The admin message from atlanta-ned was lifted as it was meant for another person. (https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34334)
The ban about blood brothers was also lifted and the associated note was deleted. (https://tgstation13.org/phpBB ...

JupiterJaeden

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden
Character name: Jeff Gaiman
Ban type: Security jobban
Ban length: 7 days
Ban reason: Head of Security, security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer for 10080 minutes - An Officer placed a mime in a timerless cell for interfering with an arrest, eventually tried to ...

JupiterJaeden

i'd gathered that the shots were from a shotgun which had resulted in that many bullets, since the timestamps indicate several bunches landing at once.

Okay so you got that but then still decided to frame it as “you shot them 29 times and then let their body rot in the brig without letting them ...

JupiterJaeden

EDIT: Made this post before seeing the headmin review result. Given how dishonest your last post here was, I’m just gonna say think it’s unfair for other headmins to be judging the appeal without a chance for me to respond to that. But oh well.

It seems to me here you have tried your absolute ...

JupiterJaeden

First of all, I dunno why you posted random screenshots from manuelcord as some kind of gotcha. Everything said there I stated in my appeal post and still stand by. Also not sure what the captain said retro-actively in manuelcord is at all relevant to an appeal lol. I will note that the ONLY thing ...

JupiterJaeden

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden
Character name: Jeff Gaiman
Ban type: Role (security)
Ban length: 5 days
Ban reason: Banned from Roles: Head of Security, security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer for 7200 minutes - Shot a clown to death for spreading Pierrot's Throat and eating a large amount ...

JupiterJaeden

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden
Character name: Jeff Gaiman
Ban type: Role, security
Ban length: 3 days
Ban reason: Banned from Roles: Head of Security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer for 3 days - In R212860, round removed a naked blood brother, who tried to run away from him after being ...

JupiterJaeden

The AI was taking a very narrow interpretation of its laws, its actions were not in any way mandated by the lawset it had. The point of pointing out the whole "knowledge check" thing I did was to show that I was trying to do something within the spirit of the lawset, which was ignored. And at no ...

JupiterJaeden

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden
Character name: Jeff Gaiman
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 2 days
Ban reason: Killed the AI after carding it when the DM AI didn't respond to a knowledge check. He killed it because it was 'annoying'

Also jumped to lethal to deal with a crowd that wanted the card ...

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