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Aurx

TheNightingale wrote:Carry a pair of zipties on you, strip their radio (leave it in their pocket) and bucklecuff someone to the nearest chair. Bam, instant two-minute sentence in the field.

And an a-help waiting to happen if an antagonist stumbles across them while they're helpless.

Aurx

IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=3396
Somebody please formalize policy on this matter.

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...inquiring about the situation, or even talking is a violation of their laws. Not only are they not respecting authority, but they are very likely committing an evil act...
This is completely wrong. Respect does not mean blindly and unquestioningly obey. "BEEP BOOP REQUESTING INFORMATION: REASON ...

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Its relevant because that section of AI policy only applies to stock asimov, because of Pandasenic's misconstrued notion that asimov AIs *HAVE* to prevent people harming each other (they don't, doing the Willy Wonka "No, Stop, Don't do that..." is enough to fulfil the barest requirements of law 1 ...

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Quartz, did you miss all the memos and the admin subforum thread saying not to do antag tokens anymore?

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Since the move off of ss13.eu there are actually checks in case a host goes bonkers, namely that neither scaredy nor An0n3 own the domain name or the web server, meaning that it's entirely possible for the DNS records to be changed and all of those bookmarks and buttons would go to a different ...

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ABOVE POST IS UNIVERSAL TRUTH

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BORGS have human brains and are explicitly not human, so the brain argument is DOA.

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Please follow the template: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44

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Tsaricide wrote:You haven't played on this server in like 2 years, I know you idle in adminbus a lot but how do you think you can be trusted to make the best choices for this server and community when you don't even play here?

He's a chicken, Tsar. Chickens can't play SS13. Stop being racist.

Aurx

ADMINCOOP IS GO
THE ROOSTER HAS LANDED
POMF123 FOR HEADMIN 2015

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Why are so many roundtables launched with such little forewarning?

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I'm starting to feel that all the ban appeal threads that conclude with "resolved in banbus" and no actual explanation of how it was resolved or what the resolution is, much less any logs, is pretty bad for transparency and communication.

When I see "resolved in banbus", I don't know if it was ...

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For example, theres no fucking IC reason you would murder the wizard when he is straight jacketed, shackled, cuffed, gagged, has blindfolds and ear muffs on, and being dragged to the shuttle brig buckled to a rolling bed surrounded by a horde of security officers. But lo and behold people will see ...

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Hijacking this thread:
Can we arrest people who metagame like that on the grounds that they're clearly in contact with the [syndies/lings/cult/vampires/wizards/blobs/etc]?

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The only time when it's bad, it's proably when Admins create Mary Sues (Sticky, i'm looking at your "invicible-exploding-on-touch-Dave") that you can't do anything against.

Mary Sues are a necessary evil during events a lot of the time.
How can you create a horrifying beast or anything that even ...

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Couldn't the blob just pop near the vault and loltrollu destroy the nuke?

Yes, and that may well be a legitimate strategy. Of course the admins may decide to deploy the ERT with their own Nuke and detonate it that.

I think that the admins should only consider giving the crew manual access to the ...

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the plurality of the sluts refers to the fact that there are many sluts in general because there will be many people there, not that each person gets at least 2 sluts
and the sluts will function as their own sluts, thus each non-slut gets one slut to service them and the sluts, being sluts, accept ...

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the plurality of the sluts refers to the fact that there are many sluts in general because there will be many people there, not that each person gets at least 2 sluts
and the sluts will function as their own sluts, thus each non-slut gets one slut to service them and the sluts, being sluts, accept ...

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Slutception
No, this is explicitly NOT recursive assignment, at least not by any sane slut assignment algorithm. The only reason to introduce new sluts into the system is to fill demand for new sluts, therefore any new slut should be immediately assigned to fill an existing need. Introducing a ...

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We established in
more than enough sluts
so, if i go to the roundtable, i get my own slut?
hell yeah dude
that the sluts aren't shared sluts.
And we've been using the plural all this time, so it's clearly not one slut per person.
Therefore, each slut, given that sluts are included in "everyone ...

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But if you also give the sluts their own sluts, you enter a situation wherein the total number of sluts needed to sustain the current slut population grows geometrically. You literally can never have enough sluts for any userbase larger than zero.

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>Note that if a player does this, it would be ruled an IC issue.
Repeat an IC issue enough times and it becomes an OOC issue.

>I don't agree that slipping and tabling people in the hallways is deliberately fucking with security.
Interfering with an arrest is fucking with security, full stop ...

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Giving yourself admin powers when you have been stripped of them.

Well, I'm the server host. I've re-adminned to place a single week jobban which was deserved. Is this really that objectionable?
When you blatantly disregard a headmin decision that you agreed to abide by, it's extremely ...

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The AI could be a beautiful thing in such a scenario, a true shadow across the landscape, Big Brother is Watching all you little cogs whispering and passing notes as you get tugged along on your leashes.

Shit son, why do we not have a big brother thing for the AI and/or the display screens ...

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Cipher3 wrote:Restrict movement/comms in some way or another, attempt to control the flow of information and resources by Security. The oppression should be palpable.

Only AI/sec/head headsets can hear common, hallway doors require bridge/sec access to open?

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Literally who?

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Fact - An AI's laws NEVER require it to be honest unless ordered "Answer honestly" or freeformed.

Wrong. If you are ordered to "State your laws", and you lie about them, you have not stated your laws. You've stated something else.
That's not true either. If I know that stating a law will cause ...

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UNWANTEDACTION is grounds for a ban.
QUESTIONABLEACTION leads to UNWANTEDACTION.
Therefore, QUESTIONABLEACTION is grounds for a ban.

The problem is in "QUESTIONABLEACTION leads to UNWANTEDACTION," because it's often more like "Person does UNWANTEDACTION (who was going to do it anyway ...

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UNWANTEDACTION is grounds for a ban.
QUESTIONABLEACTION leads to UNWANTEDACTION.
Therefore, QUESTIONABLEACTION is grounds for a ban.

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We literally cannot touch him unless he allows us to so long as he remains the server host. He has direct (likely physical) access to the servers.

The only way we'd be able to enact anything is if he allows us to, and he follows our judgement. And he's been gracious enough to give us the go ahead ...

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Ikarrus wrote: That's more or less what this thread is. The poll isn't meant to be the single deciding factor, but a tool to gather opinion. If this is confusing some people I could take it down.

Then don't call it a trial, that's misleading.

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But people react to certain nonsense and not others. And they don't react if not given something to react to.

This is similar to giving a random assistant a laser gun during a rev round. Sure, you don't force them to use it. But they can only use it because you provided them the opportunity to use ...

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chesquatt wrote:
Aurx wrote:The problem is also that the sadcases who think racism == violence also think violence == attacking.
please elaborate.

Custom emotes are wonderful.

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The problem is also that the sadcases who think racism == violence also think violence == attacking.

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The problem with that is that players are unpredictable, and the onus should therefore be on the people who actually commit random acts of violence FNR. If someone wants to grief and/or commit violence/chaos/mutiny/etc, they will probably latch onto whatever reason they can find, whether or not ...

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We actually don't need to clearly define this because it just gives people something to toe around.

This is why you will almost never hear any admin EVER tell you where the line is. We've had too much trouble with people toeing the line over the years.
The only time there even CAN be a fixed ...

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I and most other admins do generally ensure that at the least, a body gets cloned, and at best they get priority in events.
No doubt, it is an awesome idea many people do, but that is not the same as it being official policy, which I don't think it is.

Making it a part of resolving bans ...

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Staff of change murdering changed players (as monkeys or other generally harmless things) should be and should remain punishable. However, in the (all too common) case of geneticists monkeying themselves and then getting dunked and cremated in ling rounds, no. You knew the job was dangerous when ...

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I'll go ping SoS and direct him here to see if he's making a policy change, but currently the chain-of-command page on the wiki matches the policy I know.

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Saegrimr wrote:
Delicious wrote:Players can just turn people into these creatures and kill them.
This should be treated as if it were any other round and you were monkeying people with syringes.

It is.

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Ikarrus wrote:Personally, I put a lot of value on transparency.

Did someone just say public logs?

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@Aurx

Are you arguing for full disclosure of admin decisions to the player here? A canny player can read into a lot of things and come to these conclusions even without anything said from a PM.
I'm arguing against disclosing admin decisions during the round in question, and for disclosing admin ...

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"It's been resolved" explicitly tells the player that any administrative action that will be taken has been taken. It explicitly tells the player "If he's moving around now, he's not getting banned." It explicitly tells the player a great number of things if they're willing to read into it a little ...

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The issue with saying "it's been resolved" is that people can use basic reasoning skills to deduce likely outcomes.
If A gets a message saying their adminhelp about B has been resolved, and B just suddenly went braindead, A can be reasonably confident that B got banned.
If A gets a message saying ...

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Vekter wrote:If anyone knows anybody involved that didn't get their shit slapped, PM their ckey to me. I'll make sure it gets handled.

How are the players going to know ckeys? Why not character names?
Also, how are the players all supposed to know who did/didn't "get their shit slapped"?

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Just forumban them already, they're clearly intent on being a raging phallus to everyone.

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Aurx, you of all people know that trying to define all terms and make absolutely defined rules for this game is literally not possible. Especially in an area like this. Look at how gigantic the silicon policy is, and it's probably the best example ever of a ruleset about it that's clear and ...

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TheWiznard wrote:
Aurx wrote:But that'd be stealing from the brig, interfering with the possible escape any prisoners there, and JUST as much of a supposed law one violation.
How can it interfere with beings if no one is using it in the first place?

Aurx wrote:supposed law one violation

Aurx wrote:supposed

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But that'd be stealing from the brig, interfering with the possible escape any prisoners there, and JUST as much of a supposed law one violation.

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