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UtterNewbie

QuartzCrystal wrote:Sorry, gonna have to step in here *flashes his Bachelors of Arts degree in philosophy*, I can say with authority, that that is not an ad hominem.

Then you should ask for a refund because he's attacking the person making the argument instead of the argument itself. :^)

UtterNewbie

An0n3 wrote:You've shown you don't even know what the fallacies you're talking about mean.

Ad hominem as a response to being accused of ad hominems. I wonder how deep you can go.

UtterNewbie

Frequently results to ad hominems instead of addressing points presented, extremely concerned about his conduct while simultaneously ignoring any critical feedback and labeling it as whining of a vocal minority.

More of a politician than an admin.

inb4 this gets deleted because it's negative ...

UtterNewbie

as the chaplain was not wearing a mask
I already answered that I had no idea that chaplain hood doesn't cover face, as it is a full face sprite and have never tried it myself.
https://tgstation13.org/wiki//images/e/e2/Chaplain.png
Not to mention I'm pretty sure the chaplain was black.

A fun ...

UtterNewbie

Chaplain's hood doesn't block people's faces.
I'm not a walking encyclopedia on spessmen, it's a full face mask from the sprite, I have never tried before to see whether it blocks face in code or not, neither did you until now.

This mob has no ID, is wearing the Chaplain's Hood, Hoodie (the exo ...

UtterNewbie

Chaplain hood does not block CPR it seems.

I said from the beginning the entire story over and over, always the same thing. Yet you still keep mentioning things I already said as if they were never said telling me I keep making new things up.

What's the point anymore? You ignored everything, I ...

UtterNewbie

scaredofshadows wrote:just use your head as a security.

It is unbelievable how out of touch you are.

UtterNewbie

SoS if even you can't see that this was a bad ban or even take the effort to understand the situation, then I don't care anymore and won't repeat myself.

I only got back after my previous quit because elections looked promising, nothing changed. In fact it's only worse. Go ahead and extend the ban ...

UtterNewbie

HG please at least have the decency to post to picture. This is getting ridiculous.

UtterNewbie

You shot him five times with a lethal laser in three seconds. That's not the measured application of force you keep trying to make it out to be. Shooting someone until they're down on the ground dying then investigating them to see if they were actually what you thought they were is not proper ...

UtterNewbie

This is something I've been trying to explain to people:

'If I do it the right way I could lose' is not a valid justification for lethal force. I think the term for that is called play to win, or at least, it comes shockingly close to it.

Sec policy has flaws, there will be times you get dunked ...

UtterNewbie

If there was no way for you to get to him and try to dissolve the situation in a non-lethal manner how were you able to get on the bridge so quickly after critting him to start giving him CPR and then claim he must have succumbed?

That doesn't add up. You couldn't get to him fast enough so you had ...

UtterNewbie

Nuke Op = guy in red space suit with SMG typically running amok killing people

Nuke Op != anybody you might think could be a stealth Nuke Op in disguise
Are you honestly telling me a guy looting a dead captain alone in a room with him with a gun in his hands is NOT looking like a sneaky op?

If ...

UtterNewbie

But he wasn't dressed like a Nuke OP.
Nuke ops are not bound to their clothes and may in fact dress as not nuke ops.

You didn't witness him murder anyone. He was trespassing on the bridge and stealing a weapon, sure.
During a nuclear emergency. Being alone in room with a dead captain. Looting ...

UtterNewbie

Nuke ops dressing up as the chaplain to kill the captain seems kinda silly. If someone with a ID matching who they actually are is around when I know nuke ops are the real threat, I'll probably shout out to the chaplain instead of shooting him 5 times with my laser. This was crappy, it's just a ...

UtterNewbie

What clues did you have that he was a nuclear agent in disguise?

What tipped you off?
The gun in his hands and him looting captain during a nuclear emergency, alone in a room. I don't know whether he had a helmet or gasmask it might in fact have been chaplains hood. Either way his face was ...

UtterNewbie

Did you at least examine him first?
Yes, he had chaplains ID and was wearing a black jumpsuit. I did not know whether or not he was dressed as him or was actually him. Trying to ask someone with a gun over a captains corpse to tell you something while he's there all alone and most likely looting ...

UtterNewbie

I honestly thought I shot him only once or twice because he fell down so quick.

As HG linked, we're allowed to use lethal force to subdue a target. Fact is I stopped once he fell down and tried to revive him once he was no longer a threat and manage to get to him. He chose to die from what I ...

UtterNewbie

Byond account and character name: UtterNewbie, Pow Ergam
Banning admin: AN0n3
Ban reason and length: You have been jobbanned by an0n3 from: Head of Security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer.
The reason is: Murdering the chaplain during a nuke round for picking up an egun off a dead captain ...

UtterNewbie

Did you just seriously change the poll subject while keeping the poll results from previous subject?

UtterNewbie

You didn't know the name of the person you stunned and arrested until you were in the brig.
Wrong. I said I didn't know who said Jeb was syndicate.

You didn't recognize this person as the person yelling that Jeb was a double agent.
Correct. I did in fact misread and only knew that someone ...

UtterNewbie

You said yourself that you arrived at the scene to see a person holding C4, and that was your reason for arresting them. That person, JR, then yelled that Jeb was a "Double Agent", which you obviously recognized as a type of round antag because you then arrested Jeb too.
In the commotion I did not ...

UtterNewbie

Steelpoint wrote:I don't actually think brown shoes are a default wearable item.

There's a pair right in arrivals locker room. Heads also spawn with them. Also detective.

UtterNewbie

you claimed part of the reason you didn't take away JR's PDA was metagaming
This never happened. Reason was I never got to it because a bomb interrupted me. Check the logs of me stripping Jebs PDA. Which is what I quoted myself, and what I said in ahelps. Stop trying to make things up.

I'll just ...

UtterNewbie

Can't wait for assisstants to strip eachother to check for chameleon jumpsuits. Anyone with brown shoes becomes valid. Gasmask! Must be a voice changer. :^)

Do you want to bwoink people for no reason?

No.

UtterNewbie

As An0n3 said, everyone knows what uplinks are. It is standard to remove someone's PDA when they are accused or suspected of being a traitor, THAT is how you goof'd. You either left the PDA on JR because of Ted or because you decided that you won't powergame and you'll decide to leave the PDA on a ...

UtterNewbie

So you forgot the PDA, not that you think it's metagaming, despite saying this to Ted.
I won't respond to you further if you insist on making things up. The only thing related to metagaming I said throughout this entire thread and admin PM conversation was this:

[17:09:28]ADMIN: PM: UtterNewbie ...

UtterNewbie

I'd still like to determine whether UtterNewbie left the PDA on JR (which he then used to order bombs and bomb the brig twice) because Ted was distracting him, or if it's because he thought it was metagaming.
In order I remember:
I quick searched all visible items on both: backpack, pockets, box ...

UtterNewbie

Is it metagaming for security to listen to antags testifying against other potential antags?
I appreciate your input but at least get the situation straight if you try to write out hypothetical outcomes. From my point of view there was one "antag", the one responsible for the C4 found in hands of ...

UtterNewbie

QuartzCrystal wrote:Last I'll post, but I think Ted was referencing the fact that you allowed a prisoner to bomb the brig twice.

That's what happens when someone spams me with bwoinks as I try to wrestle several things at the same time.

UtterNewbie

"[17:25:19]ADMIN: PM: Tedward1337/(Richard Aultman)->UtterNewbie/(Pow Ergam): This is your only warning on this, do your job next time."

Hilariously both of the suspects turned out to be syndicates.

UtterNewbie

You did not remove my PDA at any point. You had buckle and cuffed both of us and left us long enough for JR to unbuckle, uncuff and order bombs, twice.

EDIT: Sorry, you said knowing PDAs are uplinks is metagaming, which is nuts to hear from a player as experienced as you.
[17:09:28]ADMIN: PM ...

UtterNewbie

Dude. You actually played dumb as to whether you're allowed to remove people's PDAs when arrested and called it powergaming.
I did not, I removed Jebs PDA and put it into a locker along with potential items to break out with, afterwards bomb exploded so I didn't get to strip the other prisoner. In ...

UtterNewbie

Were either of the brigged people in perma? If not, then Tedward shouldn't have been down your asshole and distracting you unless things escalated further.
None of them were in perma, I was trying to determine which one of them was the syndicate but the admin made it literally impossible to focus ...

UtterNewbie

Byond account and character name: UtterNewbie, Pow Ergam
Admin: Tedward1337
Time incident occured: Sybil, double agent round minutes before this post
Detailed summary:

I'm a security officer, I gear up and head out to patrol. As I pass HoPs office I see someone holding a C4 and people saying some ...

UtterNewbie

Security reserve the right to carry out permabrig sentences, without authorization, in the case of potential significant risk or extraordinary circumstances.
Autonomous decisions from security personnel to carry out permabrig sentences do so without the protection of authorization, so it is in the ...

UtterNewbie

Double agent is objectively the worst game mode currently available.

Remove it and add the roll chance it has to Nuke Ops.

UtterNewbie

I stand by my opinion that voting for Ikkarus is voting for heavy handed "roleplay" and "play my way" administration.

Hornygranny is HBL v2.

Bluespace wont get any respect from anyone in current administration and will have little impact.

Also find it hilarious that out of 7 candidates 4(!) are ...

UtterNewbie

I don't mind Saegrimr deleting the monkeys, he was thinking for the best of the server and all the rest of the players, while the OP is only thinking for himself.
Thanks for the testing. I knew for a fact that monkeys did not lag the server and stated it many times here and in the ahelps, since I ...

UtterNewbie

Stickymayhem wrote:murderboning

I will fully support this only if it will be retroactively applied like all other policy changes as of late and you get a permaban for murderboning for a month straight. :^)

UtterNewbie

I think the point here is that there wasn't a very good reason for subjecting the server to a possible crash or having the master controller stop firing due to the 100 monkeys spawning in at once.
They did not spawn at once, it took 3 lockers to get at least that many. So it was 3x spawn.

The ...

UtterNewbie

There wasn't horrendous lag. There was a tiny lag spike the moment they spawned. You are making it up.

Nobody was trying to crash the server. Again it takes thousands of mobs to slow it to unplayable levels. and you will sooner die of boredom than make it crash with monkeys. Not around 100. There's ...

UtterNewbie

Mass introduction of monkeys can definitely slow down the server.

Why did you want to spawn 100 monkeys in the escape hallway as a double agent? This action can be interpreted by some as an attempt to crash the server.
Did you even read the first post?

The only instance where mob spam ever ...

UtterNewbie

You can walk freely through monkeys while using help intent. Your plan wouldn't have accomplished anything.
That's completely besides the point. It's akin to deleting a singularity that a traitor worked hard to release then arguing "but it stayed in engineering".

If this is legit then I want a ...

UtterNewbie

Byond account and character name: Nayeli Wood
Admin: Saegrimr
Time incident occured: Sybil, round about 5 minutes before this post
Detailed summary:

I was a double agent botanist, spent ENTIRE round making enough biomass to produce approximately 100 monkey cubes, with intention to block off escape ...

UtterNewbie

Ikarrus wrote:We already have a 10 second delay for most on-station antags before we actually tell them they are antagonists.

It wouldn't be hard to just make the delay a little bit longer.

This would be great, if only as a test to see how it impacts antag rolling suicides/braindeads.

UtterNewbie

Why did you lock your own feedback thread when now you're running for community headmin, the very community you locked out of giving you feedback?

UtterNewbie

Do you think using your departments tools to do your job ingame constitutes powergaming?

What do you think of the newest admins and trialmins in relation to their admining and behavior?

How do you feel about singulo.io?

UtterNewbie

Do you think using your departments tools to do your job ingame constitutes powergaming?

What do you think of the newest admins and trialmins in relation to their admining and behavior?

How do you feel about singulo.io?

UtterNewbie

An0n3 wrote:Do you have a specific example in mind

Dragging a securitron (beepsky) as security for patrols every round, specifically the otherwise never used gulag securitron.

Asking to see how differently you think from current headmin.

So far I like your answers.

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