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Cik

secretariat was born in a field, therefore he is a mouse :^)

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back in the day every round would have the AI roundstart set to robocop or paladin, it fucking sucks by the way please don't start this shit again for heaven's sake

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Zarniwoop wrote:Not an RP server. Stop trying to make it one.

never say this to me or my son ever again

Cik

what other aspect of roleplay is there

in the sense of "actually supposed to be a thing in-universe, detached from constantly saying memes all the time and hunting valid salad with no fear of death or danger"?

Cik

nonsense, i like playing sillicons because i can roleplay as a robot which suits my autistic nature

Cik

... survived perfectly for years... how it has always worked...

There's nothing wrong with trying out new things.

it removes all the ability to create conflict from the lawset, which is bad. AI is designed to clash with the crew (in some ways) this is a good thing because it helps even the ...

Cik

there are many holes in it. no inaction clause means that it basically is an antag-hunter (as long as you don't pull the trigger security executing people is not your concern) and what does "explicitly consented to" mean? if someone says "just fuck my shit up fam" can you murder them? and then, who ...

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that seems like a straw man to me

i broadly support oranges crusade in service of making cloning less good, i also support additions to the medical system making injury more substantive, because as it is you can walk through space and spend .05 seconds in a sleeper and you're all good fam

which is ...

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i for one, am ready to recognize the french revolutionary government II: paris commune boogaloo.

or, at least we can all agree that watching people flip cars is momentarily entertaining.

but i agree with their cause, macron's a fucking moron who needs an attitude adjustment.

Cik

Basically asimov is fine, people with no common sense are going to be shitty silicons no matter the wording
I think this is the takeaway.

Having Asimov (including the inaction clause) is pretty neat because Asimov is inherently flawed. There are, quite often, times when executing a traitor really ...

Cik

it's fine as it is

if you change the laws, we're just going to end up with sillicon policy 2.0 that will be twice as long as last time because words cannot bind anything very tightly without a lot of words.

legal contracts are 20,000 pages for a reason

Cik

i'd like to be able to follow law one without most of "self harm is not actually harm" besides that i'm fine with asimov.

fyi, any lawset you propose as an alternative is terrible. there is no mythical "better" lawset i've ever come across.

but i guess if you are going to slash sillicon policy i'm ...

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can't have yourself sympathizing with the rabble

it's """populist"""" which is the new buzzword in europa these days

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the op is you goof not that guy

you just said it was too long, which is whatever to me

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that's the objective likely

brussels as a center of government was probably chosen because it's physically annoying for anyone to actually go there; only the moneyed classes that make up the chief interests of the place can travel in and out on planes every week.

Cik

can you state the actual problem you have with the current rules in concise language?

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based snow gondola

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as soon as it's alive (IE, not dead) and it's human, it's human

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zxaber wrote:This is quite clearly self harm, in the same way a rage cage is self harm. But then, I've seen AIs get in a fit over rage cages too.

it's only self harm if you are punching yourself

note: it's fine if it's a slave-lizard gladiator pit or something

Cik

murderboner is it's own problem and has little to nothing to do with movement speed

any movement speed change would buff security as much as antags anyway

murderboning is a culture problem, or a rules problem, or both

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AI is forced to be security's bitch because AI has no capability to stop security anymore. since the addition of door remotes and secborg removal, AI has no effective control over crew.

what are you going to do, use harsh language? if you are lucky they will treat you as the non-threat you are ...

Cik

it has been a long while since i've analyzed it critically, but i remember being able to bend it over backwards to allow some really insane shit way back.

asimov is, in the most important ways, ironclad. like sure, without sillicon policy you can murder aliens but that's the only thing you can do ...

Cik

corporate really sucks though, for numerous reasons besides powergame

look, asimov is the default because
1. the fluff is cool
2. it makes the AI a (relatively) neutral arbiter, that does not have an unreasonable hateboner for either the crew or the antagoniste(s) so that the AI does not use it's ...

Cik

the media is pretty much one entity

not to say that they are all controlled by some shadowy conspiracy (though i wouldn't rule it out personally) but most of their reporters are informed by the same culture, they report on things that are fed to them from a dwindling number of sources, most of them ...

Cik

what's the difference if i might ask

besides being two slightly different things seems to me they both happen

also isn't a cult being in control of the government kind of a big deal and not actually a result of incompetence at all anyway

Cik

"conspiracy theory" is one of those mind-closing phrases that is bandied about precisely because it closes minds.

tarring them with that brush is merely a useful shortcut to preventing people from listening to them, and is usually easier than proving them wrong (sometimes impossible depending on ...

Cik

assuming the captain would never harm humans is metagaming, not the opposite.

"the captain can never be antag, rules prevent non-antags from uploading laws deadly to humans" is a meta-concern not an ingame one

my personal implementation of this is:
captains and RDs get in for free as long as i ...

Cik

goof is 18 ?

fuggin zoomers

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did i reply to the first page of this thread

fug

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fast movespeed just leads to prisoner's dilemma gameplay, shoot first and ask questions later turns into the 100% survival strategy which directly strangles any sort of RP in any scenario that isn't "both of us are balls of foam and can't possibly hurt each other" which doesn't really happen in the ...

Cik

that was a good round. he came to visit me and talked to my SMES like it was my cook.

it kind of got a little violent later but for a while it was pretty nice.

Cik

these sorts of things really activate my almonds

who is pushing it, and what sort of scheme are they up to?

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if you don't actually put your all into every order you are given you are a dumb cyborg and should stop playing

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>the secret to playing cyborg is to break the rules

observe the citrus try to get sillicones b&

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it wasn't a quote but i mean it's basically what he was saying

besides, the guy's a legit idiot look at his >muh castro

Cik

lmao dude just open source your code
>implying pretty much everything MSO does is not right and just

no exceptions MSO is a pure-hearted knight of the GPL

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lmao dude just open source your code
>implying pretty much everything MSO does is not right and just

no exceptions MSO is a pure-hearted knight of the GPL

Cik

I wonder how many of those would actually get through if the target wasn't shithole norh korea but a russian-hardened Syria

you don't use tomahawks against S-300+

well maybe just for volume, but you use dedicated SEAD weapons instead and they are pretty effective.

tomahawks are just a 3000nm ...

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it always worked b4 fam

though thanks for that lecture it clears things up a bit

if it isn't immediately obvious btw that's a picture of a tomahawk barrage from a medium-sized carrier battlegroup

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http://imgur.com/a/TNDDT

fucking forum reeee

anyway if you've watched macross you know what i'm talking about

Cik

give me back cyborgs capable of actual combat and i will consider it

until then no AIs are already pretty garbage if there is a single person on-station that knows what they are doing and/or at least one traitor with a space suit that barely knows what they are doing, they don't really need ...

Cik

glowshrooms are so cancerous that i wish they made botanists valid personally. they are fucking impossible to stamp out.

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this is a great idea and you are a great person

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i do genuinely think giving kor supreme cosmic power would be for the best

kor 2017: because someone needs to steer this clusterfuck

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the focus on antags above all IS THE PROBLEM. everything else feels like a distant-second afterthought. most of the stuff the antags even get isn't even interesting. it's just +4 TC +20 damage deathweapon or "gets you access to thing so you can apply deathweapon" after years of development of ...

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i've always been useful you nonce, my usefulness exists independently of your opinion you jerk

Therein lies the issue. Speaking as a coder who has made many shiny TF2 hats it's because I do not know what is wrong with the systems we have. I code the things I think are cool and I do not know how ...

Cik

it's easy enough to see the way forward
Then enlighten everyone.

i have posted exhaustively in other threads, without much response. at least in part engineering needs:

incentives to produce more power; APC overdrives that improve machine efficiency / output while using more power, the ability ...

Cik

you can't really do anything until you actually improve the subsystems of the game yourself. most coders have no real interest in fleshing out long-ignored systems. they just add the SS13 equivalent of TF2 hats. nice-looking, easy to code things that change almost nothing below the surface.

the ...

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there was a supreme court thing to go through i guess.

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nah like a while ago. she was actually the puppet of a secret society of occultists since she was born.

yep, that happened

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